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William Moore: Big D*Ck Energy - How Penis Size Actually Changes Your Entire Life | #165

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Inside the Male Enhancement Industry with the Expert Who's Making It Safer. That's William Moore, founder of PhalloFILL - the #1 non-surgical penile girth enhancement procedure in North America. With over 20 years in men's aesthetics, William's not just talking theory - he's sharing his own journey and the real science behind male sexual wellness. He's been where his patients are, experiencing both failed procedures and breakthroughs firsthand. Now he's dedicated to making sure other men have access to safe, effective options that actually work.

WHAT YOU'LL WALK AWAY WITH AFTER LISTENING TO THIS EPISODE:

  • Clear understanding of penile girth enhancement options and safety protocols
  • Realistic expectations about costs, timelines, and results
  • Knowledge to identify qualified providers and avoid dangerous treatments
  • Insight into how male body image affects overall life confidence
  • Resources for private, judgment-free consultations

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Willow:

What if the size of your confidence had nothing to do with the size of your ego and everything to do with empowerment? Today we're diving into a conversation most people still shy away from, but our guest is leading the charge in changing that. William Moore is the founder of PhalloFILL, the number one non-surgical penile growth enhancement procedure in North America with over 20 years in men's aesthetics and wellness. He's worked with top urologists, trained medical professionals across the country and help thousands of men reclaim not just size, but confidence, connection, and control. So we are so thrilled to have William Moore with us today, welcome to the Sex Reimagine Podcast. Thank you so much for all your amazing likes, shares, and subscribes. Please keep them coming. You're here with your hosts, Dr. Willow Brown. That's me and Leah Piper.

Leah:

Hey there, friends. This is such an important topic. It's something that comes up in my private sessions with men time and time and time again, the insecurity of, am I big enough? So, tune in, turn on. This is an important one. Let's fall in love together with Mr. William Moore.

Announcer:

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William:

Hello. Hello. Thank you for having me here.

Willow:

We're so thrilled. Yes. So tell us how you got started on this journey. I mean, what made you become the number one penile enhancement

William:

Well, you know, if we go far back to like the year of 2009, 2010, I was seeking men's enhancement procedures for myself, this was before I was involved in them at work at all. I, I own med spas and I was very familiar with body contouring with CoolSculpting and, um, I, I taught that for Allergan for a while and I did facial injections or neurotoxins and germal fillers and laser resurfacing and all, all kinds of laser procedures, but I as a man had some insecurities about the size of myself, and it was, um, related directly to a comment that someone made one time out of anger. And sometimes those comments happen. They happen fairly often actually, and they can stick with you. That could be one reason that somebody may want to change their bodies, but are there could be other reasons, but that was the reason that I began to look for this for myself. And back in 2009, 2010, there weren't great options. And um, I actually did have a fat, fat grafting procedure that was unsuccessful. I had the suspensory ligament dissection, which was unsuccessful. Um,

Willow:

Tell, tell us, tell our audience what that is.

William:

So the, the sense suspensory ligament dissection is there's a ligament that holds the penis in and attached to the body. And when a man has an erection, it's what makes it stand up straight and makes it, um, not flop around. And the idea is, is that you can dissect or cut that suspensory ligament and it allows the penis to hang out of the body. So it actually is only longer flaccid. It doesn't really make your erection any longer when it's erect, so all you do is you lose your ability to sort of control it. Mine grew back. It didn't, it didn't stay dissected. And so, um, so that's the reason I say that it was an unsuccessful procedure and I, I followed the, the post-care instructions. You're supposed to wear this stretcher for six months that stretches the ligaments so that they can't touch and they can't regrow. But

Leah:

Hmm.

William:

had a minor of their own and, and the mine suspension ligament regrew, um, as well. So I did, I did a couple things for myself that I, that were unsuccessful. And I was injecting the P shot. I was actually the very first person, Dr. Charles Ronalds. He's the one who owns and created the P Shot, and I think probably everyone has heard of that. I was doing a training for Vampire

Leah:

actually, may I interrupt you for just a minute, because I don't know that everyone knows what the P shot is,

William:

Okay. Well let's talk

Leah:

sure our audience who may be hearing about it for the first time.

William:

So the P shot was originally called the Prius shot after the Greek God. And um, and so it was shortened to the P shot. But basically we draw your blood from your arm and we process it down in a centrifuge, and we collect what's called platelet rich plasma, which is the, the growth factors that allow your body to heal whenever you have an injury. So if you scuff your knee and you sometimes see that, so that yellowy, um, haze that the, the film that builds on top of that, that's actually your body is sending platelets to repair that injury. It's not, it's not an infection. There's a lot of times people think, oh, it's getting infected. That's actually your platelet poor plasma that has platelet rich plasma inside. And basically it creates a cascade of healing effects and it, it grows new tissue and That is what allows your body to heal is these, these platelet rich plasma, platelet rich plasma and platelet poor plasma that is on top of your injury. So we draw the blood, we, we processed out the platelet rich plasma from the blood. We draw that off at the top of the test tube after the process, after the processing has been done, and then we inject it into the RA of the penis and into the glands of the penis. And the idea in the beginning was that it was going to give size that those platelets were gonna make your penis grow. In actuality, that never happened, but what did happen was it did make the penis perform better and gave it better sensitivity. So if someone was aging because of some plaque or type two diabetes and or they were just older and they had had low testosterone and they had lost some sensitivity, there's a lot of things that can be repaired, corrected, rejuvenated, if you will, using platelet rich plasma. We also use it in the face, you've heard it called the vampire facelift, um, in the face, and you may have heard it, called the OShot for orgasm shot for women. And so it's all the same preparation of blood that's, that's processed out in the platelet rich plasma is is extracted and then it's put back into the body in different places. So I was doing the P shot.

Willow:

With the OShot, is that, that's going into the clitoral, um, body. Like the legs and the shaft in the head?

William:

It is.

Willow:

Yeah.

Leah:

Is it also going to the vestibular bulbs or just the shaft, the head and the legs? Do you know exactly where they're of

William:

And in the, in the female you're talking about, um, I mean, I just know that it's, it's injected directly into the clitoris.

Leah:

Okay.

Willow:

the,

William:

uh, yeah, Beth, it's, it's all put there. And so it, it moves. It, it does, it does, um, travel. It doesn't just stay exactly where

Willow:

So now, so now you were the first one to receive the P shot?

William:

Not to receive it. I was the first person that Dr. Charles Reynolds showed the P Shot two when he first developed it. So he had, he also developed the Vampire Facelift. He owns the trade name to that as well. So I was there training for Vampire Facelift and he said, oh, I know that you have a lot of male clientele. We were doing a lot of laser hair removal at the time. I was doing a lot of testosterone replacement therapy. We were on the forefront of that, back in 2010 when the, we knew that it was helpful, but doctors were too afraid to prescribe it. Um, their general practitioners were very afraid for years that it might cause side effects. And so we were, we were offering that per, uh, the testosterone replacement therapy. And so Dr. Reynolds said, I know that you have a lot of male clientele. Let me, let me train you. Procedure that's gonna be called the Priapus shot at the time. It got shortened to P shot later on. And, um, we did them together, um, for about a year, a year and a half, and sort of compared what results we were getting and he was seeing a lot more, um, a claims of having girth enhancement from it. I'd never saw that and so I had to pull back personally from making the claims that we were gonna get growth or size changes because I never saw that happen. I only saw the sexual performance side of it.

Willow:

Now when you say you guys tried it together at the same time on, are you saying on your clientele or, oh, okay. Yeah.

William:

Yeah, so we would talk about it and tell clients that we had this, and this is how platelet rich plasma works. It's safe, it comes from your own body. There's nothing that can happen to you, like, there's not really any possible complications that you can really get from, unless you just totally inject someone without cleaning them and prepping them and use dirty needles or something like that. The procedure is clean and, and, and people don't get complications from it. So I did quite a bit of that and got very familiar with working on the penis, doing injections because of that. And when we announced it, we had a tremendous flood of inquiries of people that wanted to know about the girth enhancement portion of it. Unfortunately, as I just stated before, that did not work out to be successful for us, so I had to pull back. But it gave me an idea of what was out there as far as men that actually wanted to do something to change the size of their penis'cause we'd never talked about it before. There had never been something we really had to like, Hey, we had announced there was a huge desire for it.

Leah:

Can I ask a question about that? Is, uh, have you been able to tell, is there any research or even, um, anecdotal evidence from your experience that showed that men who have a hard time reaching climax, can the P shot help them when they're struggling to have an orgasm actually reach their orgasms more easily because of the increased of sensitivity.

William:

I think that it's fair to say if when they were younger, if they didn't have any trouble reaching orgasm and as they got older because of hormonal changes in, in laws of sensitivity and possibly some neuropathy from different types of, uh, of diabetes and so forth, the different types of neuropathy. I think that there's a very good chance that it could help those people, but if they just always struggled because of, you know, a mental condition, like I've, I've met people that just could not climax when someone else was in the room. You know, there's all kinds of other reasons. Yeah. If it's something in mental, I think it's, yeah. Probably not gonna, not gonna overcome that. But if it was, if they were able to have a successful, successful orgasm when they were younger, I think that we can make it better now with, with that. But I've switched to not using platelet rich plasma anymore since we're just gonna talk about

Leah:

Yeah. Yeah.

William:

Um, now there's another product that's called exosomes that they're also being used in the face. It's being used to, for hair restoration, for hair loss. Um, they're, it is been injected into joints for people who have orthopedic issues, and we've now, in my clinic, we've replaced platelet rich plasma with using exosomes. Exosomes are the vesicles that come off of a stem cell. And these particular stem cells that we use come from newborn babies, umbilical cords, where the mother and the baby were pre-screened and they knew that they were gonna be donating their umbilical cord after they, um, delivered the, the delivery. Um, it hap occurs, the, the umbilical cord is immediately taken to a tissue bank where it's preserved. They separate out the stem cells. In vitro or in test tube, they are able to use a filter and capture exosomes that are released from these stem cells in real life. Whenever a stem cell is working in the body, it releases exosomes and exosomes, essentially, in a very simple way, carry the blueprint and the growth factors that tell a cell how to regenerate. So the stem cell doesn't have to be present for all type of regeneration from a stem cell. The, the exosomes, which is the vesicle that comes off of those stem cells, can actually do a lot of that work alone. And so we can get exosomes for a very good price compared to how much stem cells cost. And another nice thing about an exosome versus a stem cell is that an exosome is not a full cell and it doesn't have any DNA. And so a lot of times it can be, people can reject, you know, not get the great benefits from stem cells in every case because of the DNA. Yeah, exactly. And so there's nothing in this.

Willow:

not a match or whatever

Leah:

we've, we've interviewed a number of doctors who offer stem cell, um, treatments to deal with erectile dysfunction in particular, and they are.

William:

This.

Willow:

Mm-hmm.

Leah:

Very similar, but they're drawing stem cells from the patient's own body themselves, you know, versus this using the umbilical cord. So is one more efficacious than the other? And it sounds like it is because of the DNA structure of one's personal stem cells.

William:

Whenever you're looking at data, you can probably find just as many studies that say that stem cells are are more active and, and do more results than an exosome. And you can find just as many that probably say that exosomes do more than stem cells. I mean, it is just, it's just how, unfortunately that's how it is and we have to filter through and sort of decide practitioners, ourself what we think is best. Personally, I believe that an exosome that comes off of a newborn stem cell that was just developing lungs and a heart, and a brain, um, are better than the stem cells that may come out of a 45, 55, 60-year-old man that's coming in for

Leah:

Stands to reason.

William:

So we, we believe that the younger vesicles off of a, of a brand new stem cell that's never been manipulated is, is more beneficial than, than getting your own stem cells.

Willow:

And so what kind of results are you seeing then with the exosomes? Did you ever do stem cells?

William:

Um, I have done a handful of stem cells on some patients. I, I did it on myself. Um, Stem cells to me are scary. I'm gonna tell you a story of something that happened, and luckily it happened to me and it didn't happen to a patient. Um, I had a company that had stem cells, they were trying to get my clinic to buy them, and they came in and they did a, did a demo on me with, with stem cells and did an injection on my penis with stem cells. And I may have seen some changes, you know, nothing to, like, nothing that was like life changing.

Leah:

Mm, nothing remarkable.

William:

Nothing remarkable. May, maybe some extra sensitivity, maybe a little bit easier to get better erections, but six months after if this happened, I got a phone call from the Dallas County Health Department wanting to know which patient at our clinic had stem cells using lot number, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, which was me because I was the patient that they had had

Leah:

Oh my Lordy.

William:

and my, my stem cells had been exposed to hepatitis C. Luckily,

Willow:

Oh

Leah:

brother.

William:

had to go to get tested immediately, and I don't have it, but. You know, using someone else's stem cells is a little bit, they're, they're tested. I, I don't know. We don't know how this batch got through and didn't get flagged or I guess they were tested and they were clean of the diseases that they tested for, but somehow they thought that there might have been some cross-contamination. Luckily, it doesn't appear that mine did have any cross contamination,'cause I didn't have hepatitis C. But there's all different kind of things to think about. With exosomes they're not true cells. They don't, they don't carry disease. So there's,

Leah:

Oh

William:

just, there's different, you can weigh things out in different, different ways. But as far as, um, the differences, there are published studies that show the same changes.'cause I've got one of'em at my fingertips. I use sometimes that show just as good changes with exosomes as stem cells that are purchased. I haven't seen published studies on stem cells using the patients on stem cells. And, and that might be a hard study to design because you've got a, you've got a lot of different factors in there. You've got smokers and non-smokers and, and, you

Leah:

Mm-hmm.

William:

And whenever they're doing a study with stem cells you can have a very controlled group of stem cells and I think you could have a better design study. I just don't know that we're gonna have a good published study on that. There could be one out there.

Leah:

Mm-hmm.

William:

Not familiar with it. But, um, but I do have a lot of patients rave about having a procedure with exosomes, but it can't fix everything. So if they've got venous leakage and the valves just don't close, because that was a, you know, that is an anatomical problem. They're not gonna fix an anatomical problem, but they can help repair vascularity that's not functioning the way that it used to function. And it can help with, with, um, issues like plaque and it, it, it can rejuvenate. It just can't fix every single problem.

Leah:

Yeah. And for those of you who don't know of, um, venous leakage is, uh, problematic for erections. Sometimes you can get an erection, but you have a hard time maintaining an erection. Uh, just in case you're not familiar with that language. So, uh, curious how many treatments does one need to do in order to increase their girth with, I'm, I'm gonna butcher the name of this.

William:

For PhalloFILL

Leah:

Thing. Yeah. But, but the name of the, not a cell.

William:

Oh, access homeless. So, I'm sorry. So let's not be confusing. That is not used for growth enhancement. So we're using that for in, for like rejuvenation sexual performance. Um. Helping your sex be better, increasing sensitivity. We can't make any on-label claims whenever we're using exosome. Like we can't say erectile dysfunction. We can't use, there's certain ways that you cannot, you can't make claims about a product that has not been through an FDA study specifically for that. So we can't make a claim, but we call it rejuvenation of your tissue and improve sexual performance and that sort of thing. So that is what exosomes are used for, they're not used for size changes.

Leah:

Oh, okay.

William:

the P shot was originally promoted for that for size change in the very beginning, 15 years ago. And a lot of places still promote it for size change, but it does not work. And we've trained close to 40 urologists and all the ones that have tried it to si for size change have always said it doesn't work. You can't make the tissue grow and increase the size of the penis like that.

Willow:

So, we'll, we'll get to girth enhancement in a second, but let's stay with exosomes for a moment. Um, what, what is your take on exosomes versus peptides, like the PT 1 41?

William:

Well, totally different. So I mean, I take P 2 1 41, um, I take b PC 1 57. I've been taking, um, the one that you, the first one you mentioned for libido. Oh my gosh. I probably started in 2018 and 2019. I love, I love that, um,

Willow:

So you're doing, you're, they, they, they go together. They're a great combination.

William:

they're, they definitely absolutely go together, you know, testosterone replacement

Leah:

I'm sorry. What goes together? Because I heard two names of peptides and then also that omes thing. I'm gonna keep screwing.

Willow:

peptides and exosome therapy are a, are a great combination

William:

The synergy. Great synergy.

Willow:

peptides are really working internally on your, on your system, um, working with your hormones and, and all of that plus hormone therapy. It can be supportive as well. And then it sounds like the exosomes are really working, like wherever you put them on the face or in the penis

Leah:

the joints. Got it. Okay. Thank you for clarifying.

Willow:

Yeah. Um, okay.

William:

still talking? Was I supposed to answer something

Leah:

Yeah, I think I, I think I interrupted you.

Willow:

We were just, you were just kind of going on about peptides for a moment

William:

Uh, okay. So, yeah, I mean, I love peptides. I think the synergy between peptides, um, some that maybe increase IGF one for anti-aging, that also will help with erections, testosterone replacement therapy, um, exosomes. I think that the synergy between, you know, multiple, um, treatments are really what is gonna give someone the best result whenever they're trying to change their potential performance and that sort of thing.

Willow:

Awesome. Okay, now let's get onto girth. What is PhalloFILL and tell us about it.

William:

So PhalloFILL is a procedure, non-invasive, non-surgical, that utilizes, um, hyaluronic acid. Hyaluronic acid is in skincare products. You

Leah:

Yeah, I use it every day.

William:

all Yeah. So your body produces it. It's a, it's a naturally occurring in your skin and your tendons and your organs. Sometimes I jokingly tell patients that their body is a pool of hyaluronic acid because we have so much of it in us, and so it's very safe to use it as a dermal filler. You've known of it being used in the lips, cheeks, nasal labial, folds. Since 2004 was when the very first one was FDA, cleared to be used in the face. And so these, this hyaluronic acid is a clear gel that can be 100% reversed by a procedure using hyaluronic days, which is an enzyme that basically breaks the bond that holds hyaluronic acid molecules together and turns it into sugar and water, and then your body can reabsorb it. So. If somebody doesn't like it, which that never happens, but if they did, it could be reversed. If they don't follow their post-care completely, 100%. And they have like a little bit of an irregularity, a couple of droplets of how you want a days, a little bit of massage with your thumb and you basically have just leveled out like an irregularity. So you can't do that when you're injecting the penis with other fillers like silicone or PMMA, which are used in this country very freely, illegally, um, and they're not made to be injected in the body. And there are lots of people that are still using it and they cause horrific outcomes for their patients. I'm talking about large nodules and bumps that

Leah:

Yeah, there's some really

William:

and pick them up off someone's penis.

Leah:

scary botched stories when you are injecting silicone. Okay, so I am wanna make sure I've got it all. People who are wanting to increase girth, uh, the things that are on there on the market are fat grafting where you're

William:

That's not really done very much anymore. That was an old method. I don't know that we could even find someone doing that right now. I haven't heard of it in a long

Leah:

Okay. Got it.

William:

Their mine was 15 years ago.

Leah:

and then there's filler injections. And so is that what your product does? It's basically a filler injection to the penis.

William:

Yes, but we're using hyaluronic acid as our filler product. And a lot of, um, providers out there use other things that are less expensive to them, that are not, that are not really made to be injected in the body. So PMMA is made to be used in the human body for it for um, for instance, a good reason is for, in the, in the spine it can be used to increase the thickness of the vertebrae. It's, it's hard. It, it can be sort

Willow:

what are you saying? P-M-A-M.

William:

Something, something acrylic. It's basically plastic acrylic beads, tiny plastic acrylic beads is

Willow:

does not sound like you want that injected into your

William:

and it is permanent. And so if for some reason it gets uneven or it's lumpy, it has to be surgically removed with a lov, with a degloving procedure. And guys, you don't even wanna know what a degloving procedure is. You can imagine, um,

Willow:

Oh, de loving men. Don't go there. Avoid the PMMA.

William:

And the silicone. So, PMA and silicone are the two that you'll find. They're very common if you're looking for growth enhancement. But what the, what, what the, the draw is for those procedures is that it's permanent. And so guys, you've only got one. That's it. And if it gets messed up.

Willow:

You're kind of stuck.

William:

kind of screwed, so don't put anything permanent in your penis. We do not know what's gonna happen in 20 or 30 years to something that has been put into the penis permanently. We have absolutely no idea.

Willow:

That's the beauty of hyaluronic acid, is it, it kind of dissolves into the tissues over time, and so then you need to get repeat treatments every what, six

William:

12 months. Yeah. And it lasts a lot longer in the penis than it does in the face because we're injecting it between two layers

Leah:

every 12 months. Got

William:

Not off, but not a full treatment every 12 months. A touchup. A maintenance. A maintenance dose. Because? Because it lasts a lot longer in the penis. So let's just say that

Leah:

is that because it doesn't lessen the face because we're, we are using so many facial muscles.

William:

It's not exactly that, but that, that could be a, a bit of it, but it's more that in the face it's sort of free, floaty. There's blood flow, there's lymphatic drainage, there's lots of things happening.

Willow:

to the head.

William:

Yeah. And then in the penis, the, the layer that we place this between at, with the fap fill procedure anyway, this, everyone does it different. Some people put it between this outer layer of fascia called the dartos fascia and the skin. That's not how we inject it with PhalloFILL, we inject it between two layers of fascia called the dartos layer of fascia and the bucks layer of fascia. And there happens not to be very much blood flow, if any, and there's no, um, no lymphatics that are

Willow:

That's why it lasts

William:

That's why it lasts longer in the, in the falla field procedure.

Leah:

Can you share where exactly that is on the penis if people don't have a reference for what the, where those tissues are located.

William:

It's hard to imagine. Um, I don't have a way to shape it just visually. Let's just think of our first layer of sheets, um, as our skin, and then let's think of our next layer as our, is our blanket, and then our next layer is our mattress pad and then the corepra is the mattress. That's where all the blood flow is. That makes you have an erection. So we've got sheets, which is skin.

Willow:

Ra meaning body kind of corpus, is

William:

Corporal body. Yeah. That's where all the blood flow is. That's what creates you to have an erection. So we have the skin, the top layer, which is the um, sheet, and then the next layer we're kind of call it our blanket, and that is our dartos fascia. And then below that we have our, our mattress cover that's gonna be called our bucks. What I want you to think about bucks and dodos is like this. If you have one of those fabric water hoses that we've all seen in the garden, you turn it off and it gets flacid and it

Leah:

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

William:

and then you turn it on and it fill full of water and it pushes against the fabric layers. That is exactly how a reaction or a reaction that how the erection works. So we turn the blood flow on to the penis with a stimulation and the blood pushes against the bucks and the dartos fascia, and it creates that rigid erection just like the water pushes against the fabric and makes that water hose get erect. Now think about that water hose having two layers of fabric, just two layers. And so we're basically, that's the outer layer of that, that water hose is, is the dartos and the inner layer is the buck fascia. And so we are packing the dermal filler between dartos and bucks. So finding the layer between the B fascia and the dardo fascia is something that I teach the providers when they came in for training. So today happens to be a training day for me. I have some, I have a physician here from Lubbock, Texas. He's in his second day of training. So the entire first half of the first day I'm teaching how to find the layer between bucks and dartos and we do a hydro dissection. We put a little bit of, on 1% lidocaine. In between there we create a pocket and then we have to go back in with our dermal filler right in between that pocket and we have to lay the dermal filler very evenly. And um then we finish up with the post-care and apply our, our, um, patented sleeve, which is called the Phallo of Sleeve, that we can talk about that in a moment that makes us completely different than every other provider. So, um, so learning how to find that Dartos and Bucks facia is an art, and I actually cannot get, I can't teach it to everyone. Some people just can't get it because you have to be able to feel for.

Willow:

dexterity sensitivity. I bet I

William:

so much. I bet you could. I

Leah:

you probably could.

Willow:

I have

Leah:

She has a spidey sense for those kinds of things. Yeah.

William:

Yeah, so I mean, I was, I found it so easily'cause I, I injected faces for 17 years prior to going to injecting penis and so I can. I'm pretty good at feeling and I've also gotten to where I can visually see, like, I can see changes in the, in the person's training. I can see when they hit into the, the, the, um, the fascist. So, so that's what we're training on right now is how to find it, lay it, and um, provide a good post care.

Willow:

Now, so when you're training someone and you're like, uh, you're just not finding it, like what do you do with that person? What do you do with that practitioner?

William:

Well, so I have, um, a couple times I've told them that they're not cleared to do PhalloFILL and they will have to go back and they'll have to practice on their own people on how to find that, that, um,

Willow:

Layer.

William:

Yeah. And be able to do the hydro dissection. And then once we use to tell them we need to do them, you know, anywhere between six and 10 of their own. And then whenever they, they think that they have got it under control again, then we'll do like a, we'll do a call or we'll do a second training and we'll make sure. And then there have been people who I just flat out said, you're not gonna get it. I can tell that you're not gonna get it. And um, and we just have to call the practice and say, the person that you sent, the physician you send is not trainable and we're not gonna be able to work on'em. It's happened a couple times. So we do make sure that the people that are out there, not, not only trained, but they're trained well, and they're competent and perform the procedure.

Leah:

Co. Couple questions about that. So I understand you train urologists. I am. Uh, suppose you also train nurse practitioners and doctors who are running MedDi spas. Um, are there anyone else that's eligible for this kind of training?

William:

Um, two thirds of our providers are urologists, and the other one third are physician practices that could be specialty and anti-aging.

Leah:

Yeah.

William:

have a couple plastics, we have a couple, um, derms. Um, and then oftentimes within the practice, the physician will be trained, but then they'll also want to have their physician assistant or their nurse practitioner, or even a nurse in many states, a nurse is able to

Willow:

I was

William:

Whatever's legal, whatever's legal in the state.

Willow:

Yeah. If you can do injections, basically like I can't do them. Yeah.

William:

if you're legal in your state to do injections, then and, and you're under a physician, um, then we will train you.

Leah:

Okay. Now where, where along the penis are you injecting? Can you sort of describe the location? Like is it around the coronal ridge or the shaft, or the base or, yeah, the head.

William:

So if you, if you have a penis, we have, um, 12 o'clock, six o'clock, nine o'clock, three o'clock.

Willow:

Mm-hmm.

William:

Like a clock. So we always inject in the nine and the three on the sides of the penis. And so we wanna make the penis wider around penis that looks like a sausage doesn't look real, and thal fill is undetectable and we want it to continue to be undetectable. We won't, don't want someone to say, I manage you, did you get that injected? Where'd, where'd you get that done? That's not, not the goal. So, um, so we do inject it wide. And also if a man is looking at himself in the mirror, if the penis is wide. Versus front to back because you put a lot of your filler on the top of the penis. You don't see those changes as well when they're front to back as well as they are side to side.

Leah:

Sure

Willow:

along the shaft, like right in the middle

William:

Oh, well on the sides,

Leah:

on the sides, but is it more towards the base,

Willow:

the sides. I know. On

William:

from, from the, from the Corona to the, to the base. So if you'll imagine a column on both sides, all the way down a column, as almost said, we're gonna be nasal labial folds. So it's. Straight be, but it's, it's along the side in the nine and the three o'clock positions on the side. We don't like to go, we will not go on the bottom because the urethra is there and you don't want to be anywhere close to the urethra. So that is just not, not done anyway. But a lot of our, a lot of our providers put it on top and it does not look good. I've, you know, people come into us for corrections or because they move and they're here and they were, you know, somewhere else before, and they come in, they've had it done on the top of the shaft. It just does not look good.

Willow:

So there are other, other things besides PhalloFILL that are using hyaluronic acid, but your sort of proprietary PhalloFILL is got this very specific between these layers at these points on the clock, these points on the penis. And, and that's kind of what makes PhalloFILL, um, number one in the

William:

That is part of it. That's a large part of it, is that we have a staged protocol that we do a certain amount at one time. Thin layers of dermal fillers stay in place better than thick layers. Another analogy that I use is. Um, if you have a thick layer, a thick tube of toothpaste, you can move the toothpaste really easily and then when it gets to the very bottom, you know, we always struggle to try and get the last bit of the toothpaste out. So thin layers are more difficult to move a lot of providers because they only want you on their treatment table one time because they make more, they can make more money in one hour versus having to have someone come in five times for the same amount of money. Of course, they want you to come in one time. We don't do that with PhalloFILL

Willow:

They'll do thicker layers

William:

do like 25 syringes at one time, whereas

Willow:

you're doing one

William:

we'll do like six syringes. Four to six. Four to six.

Willow:

Okay.

Leah:

And so how many injections, uh, in that appointment? You said three and nine. Are you always doing three and nine or are you only doing nine sometimes or only doing three? Depending on the shape of

William:

same. Same on both sides.

Willow:

always do

William:

They always do it. Even in

Willow:

symmetrical. Yeah. Now and then what's the recovery process like?

William:

Well, the recovery is really easy, so we have a, as I mentioned before, a patented sleeve that we, um, that we provide to our providers and only PhalloFILL providers have access to these sleeves and to our knowledge, no one else in the world has created any type of post-care garment specifically to be used after their growth enhancement procedure besides us. And this sleeve basically compresses and elongates the penis so that it doesn't retract like an accordion and create like the baffles on an accordion, which would be lumps in your penis. So we believe that they, that, yes, it's very important to be able to. It's the key. It is the secret sauce and it is actually the reason that providers, the top urologists in the country began to flock towards PhalloFILL was because they had never felt that there was a way to perform it and have the patient be symmetrical and happy with the procedure. So it's, it's safe to inject hyaluronic acid, basically any way you wanna inject in the penis, because you're not really gonna hurt very much.

Leah:

Yeah. And it eventually goes away

William:

Yeah, so safety is one concern, but making Pat patients happy with it is a whole different ball game.

Leah:

right? That's, that's the name of the game. Now, speaking of satisfaction, um, you know, there's some, uh, my understanding is that unlike Botox, if you get fillers in your face and you really don't like how it looks. You can go back and there are ways that they can remove the filler. Is the same thing true for doing this procedure on a penis? Could someone take it out?

William:

Absolutely. We, I have reversed it on one person. Um, that person had it for three or four years and began to date someone who had not had children. I think the, the first, I think he was married and he had a wife that had had a couple of vaginal birth deliveries and maybe was separated, divorced, and then was dating someone younger that had not had children. And we needed to take it down some. But, um, I was actually training our urologist from Las Vegas the day that he came in for his reversal. So I was able to have a witness that heard him saying, oh, I love PhalloFILL. I just can't

Leah:

It just got too big.

William:

just, yeah, I just can't use it on my current partner. And so we took it down as, you know, take it down really easily. Now I reverse people all the time that are not PhalloFILL patients. I mean, on a, on a regular basis, I have people fly in. There's a, there's a website called Phallo Boards, P-H-A-L-L-O-B-O-A-R ds.info, which is a great place. It's nonprofit, it's not there for making money. You can go in and you can read about providers across the country for growth enhancement and you can read patient experiences and, you know, they talk about doctors that have been good and doctors that have been bad, or providers or whatever. on the www.phalloboards.info website, people have talked about me being their fixer a lot. There's a lot of conversations about people having gone to many urologists or providers of girth enhancement across the country, and they had uneven results because they didn't have a post-care garment. Maybe it wasn't injected evenly, whatever the case may have been. Maybe it was injected in the wrong plane. It was, it was between dartos and skin.

Leah:

they weren't happy.

William:

and Bucks, when it's between dartos and skin, it is a disaster. It's like a water

Willow:

A lumpy

Leah:

really? Like a swollen.

William:

squishy, mushy. The erection is inside the big, the big lump of girth. And so you've got an erect penis down deep, and you've got this really squishy stuff on top,

Leah:

Oh,

William:

ous. So when you, so with the, with the

Leah:

thank God. You can

Willow:

feel weird. I know.

Leah:

Yeah.

William:

I reverse a lot. I mean, I, a lot of people I will, would have to completely 100% reverse. I just reversed out$40,000 worth of dermal filler from a guy that got it in a more expensive state where the provider was charging close to double per syringe. That what

Willow:

Damn.

William:

at PhalloFILL. And it was all outside the dermal, the um, the dartos fascia. And we had to reverse every bit of it. and there's a cost to reversing it as

Willow:

I'm

Leah:

Right

William:

the is

Leah:

now, can, can someone, is that, um, will that person, will that doctor be sued? Is there litigious consequences for something like that? Or because people sign a waiver, you know, before

William:

they just have a bad technique. I mean, like if you have a bad facelift and you just chose a bad doctor, I don't know that you have any grounds really to stand on with that. That's you. You gotta do your due diligence.

Willow:

I wanna maybe touch on this for hair loss because we're talking about men and looking good and feeling good and finding your confidence. And so many men have, you know, they have this bald spot or full bald and they want this hair back. So tell us about how, a little bit about how you're using exosomes for balding.

William:

So first of all, whenever somebody comes to us and they want to have. Something done for hair loss. We offer at this clinic everything. I have smart graft, which is follicular unit extraction, hair restoration. So we take individual hair follicles and then place them in the top. And my provider is amazing. Can give

Leah:

I've seen some great results with that.

William:

Yeah, he's, he's amazing. Any movie star that you have seen that has had it done, he's probably the one who's done it. Um, whenever the comp, whenever a manager calls, um. Smart craft and they say, who is your best? They will set up shop for him and they'll fly him out, and he does like the top actors and stuff

Leah:

And they're, it's a long procedure, right? Isn't it? Like six to eight hours?

William:

Five to five to seven, five to eight hours, something like that. And that's to do a lot of graphs, like 2,500 to three to 3,500 graphs. So that's one thing that we do. We also have a hyperbaric chamber, not specifically for hair restoration, but there are published studies that show that that, um, hyperbaric chamber sessions can actually increase blood flow of the scalp and can help some dormant hair follicles grow. So we offer our hair restoration patients hyperbarics about five days prior to their procedure to get their scalp prepared, and then we offer them, um, hyperbaric after their procedure and it dramatically reduces swelling because you've got pressure on the body. And so it

Leah:

fresh blood.

William:

kept push blood back into the system. Um, but there's also the published studies that show that just the oxygen to the follicles can increase in growth. We also offer exosomes, which we talked about earlier. We do that in combination for men. So maybe we might offer them complimentary exosomes with their hair restoration surgery so that we can make the existing follicles stronger and more resilient. Um, and then we also have some red light therapy, but the first thing that we do when somebody comes in is we do an actual, um, genetic test. And it's a, it's a swab and it's sent off and it's analyzed and so much information comes back. It tells the band if they're predisposed to having hair loss, if they take hormone replacement therapy. It tells them if they're going to respond to Propecia, it tells them if they're gonna respond to a topical, it tells them

Leah:

Oh, how wonderful.

William:

of respond to an exosome procedure or where they're gonna, they're gonna have to go straight

Willow:

So it's, it's kind of like shows points you in the direction.

Leah:

Yeah. Talk about saving someone

William:

new. It saves a lot of money and, and time and effort and it's, you know, those tests are fairly new. They haven't been around that long,

Willow:

But you're finding them to be very accurate.

William:

Yeah, they're, yeah. Um, and, and they're, they're not in all the locations yet, but you, they should look for a test before they invest their money to see what is gonna be

Willow:

What is the name of this test that you're using?

William:

Um, it is, gosh, I just walked past it. Um, I open the box all the time. If you'll gimme two seconds, I can go grab one. I was like right outside my

Willow:

Yeah, grab it.

William:

just go grab, because I got the name on it. I'm so sorry.

Willow:

That's fine. I think it'd be interesting for people to know.

Leah:

He's such a sweetie. I like him.

Willow:

We should have gotten into the fucking medi spa space. Girl, you should move to Santa Barbara. Let's open it up. I got a nurse practitioner. She can do

Leah:

And what would I do? I'd be the receptionist.

Willow:

Yeah, we will figure it out. You'll, you'll run the show, girl. You'll fucking create spreadsheets sure everything's organized. You'll

Leah:

I'll do the bookkeeping.

Willow:

you'll be the song and dance girl.

Leah:

Oh God. Right, right. The showgirl, um, question for you. Oh yeah, yeah. So did, what was the name of that test? ALO.

Willow:

Okay.

William:

A-L-O, A-L-O test. So it's DNA, testing for androgenetic, alopecia, alopecia, otra, uh, eta, and telogen. Effluvium.

Leah:

Easy for you to say.

William:

I didn't say that right. I know I

Willow:

Androgenic, Alopecia Areata, Telogen Effuvium

William:

That.

Leah:

so.

Willow:

Pretty good.

Leah:

Okay, so question like who's good?'Cause it seems like kind of, it's a crapshoot and maybe this testing solves that, but I know people who've done hair restoration, um, procedures with great success, and I've known people who've done the same restoration procedures with much, uh, not great results. Do you have a feeling for who's good and who's not good for that kind of.

William:

You've gotta do your research. I mean, the, you know, you can have the. The planters are generally the people who make or break the procedure. The ones who like do the planting, put the hair back in. So a lot of times the physician just comes in, they might do the anesthesia, and then you've got one person who's trained to take the graft out. And then you've got two people sometimes sitting at a table that does what's called the dissection of them, and they get all the skin off of them and clean them up. Is that those people are nicking the follicles under magnifying glass. You don't even know that they're damaged and you put'em right back into the patient and then they don't take, so you've got, you've got dissectors, you've got planters, you've got, you've got a whole team. And so it, you gotta ask'em some questions and serious questions whenever you go in. Who's gonna be doing my procedure? How long's my planter been planting? How many procedures have they done? It's not just about the doctor, because a lot of times the doctor doesn't really have very much to do with the actual procedure. They're in another room doing surgeries and

Leah:

okay. So their tech people are

William:

It, it is, a lot of times it's techs that are doing it. So you just gotta find out and make sure that the v before and afters are actually there before and afters and not something that they found un stock photography. And just, you gotta just do some due diligence to know who's gonna be the person who's gonna wanna do, and you wanna ask about, say, I wanna see all of your hair lines where people had, you know, the front of their hair brought down. I wanna see people who, who, where they have the hair follicles grow in a way that you can brush the hair over to the side. Like, because that good a true planter is gonna be able to look at you and. Determine how your hairline needs to be created so that it, it could

Willow:

have you had this procedure done? William,

William:

lucky that I have not yet lost a hair. I, I'm 51. I haven't lost any hair just yet. Um, but I will if I need to. But my father died with a full head of hair. My mother, um, has a

Leah:

Mm-hmm.

Willow:

probably

William:

So I'm hoping that I'm.

Willow:

Yeah.

Leah:

What, I'm curious what the cost is for something like hair restoration and for the increased girth. Um. Experience, experience enhancement, and then also like what's the difference between that first treatment price and then maintenance prices.

William:

Okay, well, hair restoration is easy, so it's done a number of graphs or follicles generally. Um, we generally do about 2,500 graft at this clinic. We charge$5 a graft. However, our competitors in Dallas charge about$9 a graft. So you're looking at a graph per graph cost wherever you look generally. And um, so I would say anywhere between probably six and and$9 per RAF is, is average. So you would multiply that by, um. The 2,500 times five is what? 12,500 here? Um, it could be closer to 20,000 if you got 2,500 graphs at another clinic. So that's gonna vary with the city and the experience of

Willow:

and also how many graphs you need, like how

William:

How many graphs you

Willow:

there is. Yeah.

William:

how many then the number, so anywhere, probably between 25 and 4,500 graphs is probably, the maximum you're gonna see is like 4,500 graphs at a time. So, so that's hair restoration, Girth enhancement. I think so I have this little set of props over here. Lemme see if you can see them. If I can bring them here. I have this set of props, says PhalloFILL in the front and

Leah:

So for,

William:

sizes. I

Leah:

Cool. So for those of you who aren't watching, you might be listening, um, he is got these.

William:

dolls, basically

Leah:

Yeah, like cylinders, they kind of remind me of like, you know, when you stuff, um, quarters in those packets from the

Willow:

Oh, yeah,

William:

Yes, it does

Leah:

those

Willow:

yeah, yeah.

William:

like a knuckle packet,

Willow:

When's the last time you stuffed one of those?

Leah:

right? People don't use change anymore. They use credit cards.

Willow:

I know. Okay, so what are those, William? Those are examples

William:

yeah. So this is a 3.75.

Willow:

Okay.

William:

Circumference, and this is a four, so this is a quarter of an inch. From the smaller one to the larger one, it's a quarter of an inch. And then one more up. This is 4.25.

Leah:

Okay.

William:

they're progressively getting larger by one quarter of an inch. Each one of our procedures generally increases you by one quarter of an inch, so it will take about four to five sessions to get you like around an inch increase,

Leah:

Wow. A whole inch increase.

William:

Oh yeah. I just treated a guy a day. He's been coming for five years. He's 2.25 inches larger than what he was when he started.

Leah:

In girth or in length? In girth,

William:

Now, we don't affect the length at all. So this is just girth when we're talking

Leah:

Well, I like girth,

William:

now the, now the, the flacid length

Willow:

Most

Leah:

gimme girth over length any day.

William:

That's what all women say. I mean, that's, that's, that's the truth. You don't

Leah:

Yeah.

William:

knock at your lungs.

Leah:

Right, right. Beating up your cervix.

William:

yeah, so, so each treatment is about one quarter of an inch. So if they're gonna do. Here, I'm gonna give you my Dallas prices because we're on the lower end, um, of the, of the spectrum. So if you buy a package of 10 syringes, that can be a couple of treatments, maybe that might give you a half of an inch increase. That's gonna be about$5,500. If you want to go more towards four sessions and you got like a five inch penis, which is the average, you're gonna need about 20 syringes. And that pack is 10,000. Some people want go more than that. So it's not unusual for us to sell like a$13,000 package sometimes. And then people do love it. And so they will continue to come in. And I know that it sounds really expensive, but dermal filler is really expensive

Leah:

ex it's expensive.

William:

It's like, it was, there's just no way around it here

Leah:

Yeah. Women across America

William:

And we,

Leah:

know this. Yeah.

William:

more for what we're doing and the longer the penis, the more

Willow:

The more it

William:

down the shaft.

Leah:

Oh, of course. So, um, and this is, you can't do this treatment more than once a year because you don't need to.

William:

can do it as much as you want until you hit your girth goal. Yeah. And then

Leah:

girth

William:

goal, then you do one procedure every 12 months to maintain.

Willow:

Okay. Okay,

Leah:

then how much of that maintains procedure?

William:

Well,

Willow:

then also what's the interval to get to the goal? Girth? Three weeks. Okay.

Leah:

Okay.

William:

three weeks I can treat you. So the, the number of syringes that is in your maintenance is going to be one syringe per length of penis. So if you have a four inch penis, you're generally gonna have four syringes per session. A five inch penis, generally five syringes, and a six inch penis is generally six. Most penises are between five and six inches long, so they're gonna have five or six syringes per treatment to yield that one quarter of an inch. And then the maintenance for that is gonna be one treatment of four to five syringes per year to

Willow:

Okay. Okay.

Leah:

What, what are, what's the general age of, uh, your patients that are coming in for growth enhancement?

William:

We just did a survey and the numbers came back and they were skewed at like 45 to 55 for the, you know, for the like, for about 50%, but there's a fairly large percentage of men that go all the way up to the age of 65. And then there's not quite as many people in their younger twenties, but we do all the time, you know, do see people that are 21, 22 years old that they finished college and they've got money. Um, but generally it's, um, it's gonna be once you've made a little bit more money in your lives before you're able to do it. That's, but that's not necessarily true. I tell you, I have a lot of what you would call blue collar workers that come in here and we offer financing and they will finance, and this is the biggest thing that they've ever purchased for themselves. But it's, it changes

Willow:

So empowering. Yes.

William:

It can make such big changes. I've seen, I had a guy that came in here covered with cement one day concrete, and I was like, what do you do for work? And he said, I work in the factory that pours those big round things that you see on the side of the street that the sewage goes through, like underground. So like, I mean, so we've, I've had everything roof. We have a lot of roofers, a lot of electricians, a lot of builders, a lot of, I have a lot of farmers, um, that come in here around Dallas, I've got a lot of people from rural AR areas around DFW, but

Leah:

You know,

William:

see everything.

Leah:

curious. Um, go. Okay. Um, thanks, Willow. I, uh, I've got a friend who ended up doing, I think, um, fat injections. This was back, I don't know, 20, 25 years. Is that removable?

William:

No, but it doesn't generally last that long either. Was you had a friend that did fat injections on like the face, it was a female that did it on the face, or was it a guy that did

Leah:

No, there's a guy who saved up money in his twenties, 20 something plus years ago, and I've seen it and it's on like either, it's to make the head sort of fatter. It's almost a little bit like a roundish fat deposits underneath the Coronal Ridge.

William:

That's the reason that we as a company, do not do hyaluronic acid into the gland is because the tissue is spongy and it doesn't expand. You can't make it even, we've never seen someone come in that someone had tried to enhance the size of their gland and they made it look good. It always looks like acne to me. Um, every time I've ever seen it done with fat or with any type of dermal filler, it's always looked like acne. Just'cause it just doesn't, it doesn't spread like it does in the shaft and it's undetectable in the shaft.

Leah:

So this doesn't look like acne. It, it, it doesn't actually look all that bad. Doesn't feel all that bad. Um, I, and he hasn't reported any disappointments about it. I'm just curious if it can be removed.

William:

No, I don't think so. So describe it for me one more time, though. I wanna make sure

Leah:

It is like.

William:

what it visually looks like.

Leah:

It feels and looks like his shaft is thicker and wider than the head of his penis, but it's not like a dramatic, it doesn't look deformed or anything, but where I can tell the most texture change and sort of the look were to more distinguishable and haven't asked enough questions to let go. Did they do anything more than what looks like it's obvious on either side of the shaft, um, just below the head and it's on the side. It's not in the front or in the back.

William:

And it's like a little bit more like a

Leah:

A little bulbous. Yeah, uhhuh,

William:

on the sides,

Leah:

the sides. And each side is symmetrical and it's bubbled ness.

William:

You know what I find sometimes is that when they put too much of whatever product it is, in this case fat, it could be dermal filler, sometimes just what we say, um, distal, just on the other side of the circumcision line, the circumcision can be tight and can, and can have some, you know, some scar tissue obviously in it because it was the circumcision. And sometimes when you put the dermal filler underneath it, it doesn't expand like the other skin in the shaft of the penis does. And so sometimes what you put under the circumcision with retraction occurring and the penis comes back towards the body, that dermal filler that was under the circumcision can be pushed forward. And what it sounds like to me, as you're describing, is two bulbs on each side that might have originally been under the circumcision, and it even looks even more, more bulgy because the circumcision is smaller, um, and the bulbous area is larger. And so there's like a bit of an optimal illusion going there as well because the, the circumcision couldn't stretch. Sometimes it can, sometimes it can't.

Leah:

Interesting.

Willow:

Very. Um, now how long does the procedure take? Do you have a list of providers for PhalloFILL around the states that people in different states can look up? And, um, I had another question, but it's gone.

Leah:

We will start with those two. It'll probably come back.

William:

So foul fill procedure is really fast, and this is not with me rushing. I mean, I do a procedure in 10 to 12 minutes when someone comes in from the start to finish. Now we, I booked them for an hour because. These people have become my friends. I mean, we talk to them.

Willow:

you wanna shoot the shit for a while before you Oh, I know what my third question was. Does it hurt? I mean, you're putting a needle into someone's penis. Yeah.

William:

So, um, so the procedures itself is pretty fast, but I do schedule a longer amount of time because sometimes people come in, they wanna talk for a bit, and you can't just say, Hey mate, you gotta stop talking I got somebody else here. So I just try and be as, as accommodating for that as as I can because they're, they're trusting me to do something that's very sensitive and sometimes they wanna talk a lot and they wanna tell me about what has changed in their lives and like how their dating has changed and, and how the intimacy with their spouse, um, for 25 years has changed. So. So I try and give'em time, but it doesn't take that long to do it. Now, as far as the sensation or the difficulty, I always ask every time I do a procedure. On a scale of one to 10, where do you put the pain, one being the easiest, 10 being the most difficult pain that you can imagine? I generally get a one or a two. It's rare that I get it through. It's very rare. So I think it, I think that men tolerate it

Willow:

tiny little needle, teeny, tiny, kind of like what I use for peptides.

William:

it's a maybe smaller. It's a 32 gauge, eight millimeter needle is what I use for the anesthesia, and it just goes barely under the skin. And then once that has been numbed, I do use a larger syringe for the actual dermal filler. But you don't feel anything at that point because it's, it's been

Willow:

It's numbed. Yeah. And then the numb goes away in an

William:

four to six hours. Lot of it's 1% lot akin four to six hours. Yeah. Um, the other question that you asked me is how you, how many providers that we have or where they can find them. So on our website, which is PhalloFILL, P-H-A-L-L-O. FILL.com. If you read through there, one of the most amazing things I think about our website is that we have a text number right in front of you and so you can send a text message to us and it's gonna go to one of our eight pro, um, eight consultants that just speak about PhalloFILL so you're not gonna have to call an office that is a med spa, and they offer 20 procedures, and the person who's answering the phone has to try and be familiar with every aspect of those 20 procedures. These people know one thing, one, and they know it backwards and forwards, and that that's all that they speak about. And so you can ask, you can have a private conversation, being nervous about picking up the phone and not knowing if it's gonna be someone on the other line that's a female, that maybe you don't wanna talk about this with a female sometimes. Um, it's just, it's some anonymous way to be able to get some good answers and some good information. And these conversations, once you send a text message, sometimes they go on for two years before the person pulls the trigger and comes in it. It is a very long, um process of

Willow:

process,

William:

Yeah. It doesn't. So I feel like that's an advantage that we have with our PhalloFILL companie, is that we have 24 hours a day, um, people that are trained, that are ready there if you search for this at one o'clock in the morning, you're not gonna get a person saying, leave a message and we'll text you back tomorrow like somebody's gonna

Willow:

Talk to. That's really cool.

William:

that works for us, not a, not a call center that, that we're, that we contract, it's our people. And so, um, so they get information that's on our website, but you can also scroll down and click on, um, locations. And it's gonna show you every location. So there's a map of the United States, Canada, and Mexico that shows you all the locations that we have in North America. And then you can click on one of those and be brought down to that specific provider. Or you can just scroll down and read about all of them if you'd like. Because they're all on there with their, their information about their specialty and, and their clinic and that sort of thing.

Willow:

Fantastic. Well, you were going and getting your um, the a LO kit. Leah and I started dreaming up that we should start our own med spa in Santa Barbara, and I've got a nurse who will come and do the training with you, so it's all in the works already.

William:

Good. Have you, have you named the clinic yet?

Willow:

Have we named the clinic yet? Santa Barbara.

Leah:

ago, so we'll have

William:

I haven't heard manhood. Somebody the other day I was thinking, why has nobody offered a clinic called manhood?

Willow:

Manhood. I like that. That's very good.

William:

We had a, we have a documentary, um, being filmed about PhalloFILL.

Leah:

Oh wow. That's amazing.

William:

we just,

Willow:

that coming out?

William:

they, so they finished the final, um, the video. So it was purchased once already and the production company. Came up with some different ideas. It's a 90 minute film and they wanted to add a few little things to the, to the editing. It has to be finished by today, like today was the last day of editing. They're submitting to the Sundance Film Festival in two weeks.

Leah:

Wow.

William:

They think

Willow:

That's huge.

William:

chance for it to premiere at the Sundance Film Festival. They only take 20 nonfiction films out of 2000

Leah:

Wow. Yeah.

William:

But it will end up at the Sundance Film Festival, maybe South by Southwest in Austin, or maybe like Tribeca Film Festival. It will debut one of those. And then, um, the hope is, is that maybe it gets picked up to go to some of the, the, you know, the, um, the, the theaters that are, um, for independent

Willow:

The alternative. Yeah.

William:

Yeah, that, that sort of thing. And then hopefully a streaming network like HBO or Netflix is gonna pick it up. But it's, it talks about, um, the development of PhalloFILL. It, um, follows me back to my hometown and, you know, interviews my childhood friends. And I don't know if you guys know that I took a case to the US Supreme Court that was a landmark case that, and it talks a little bit about that. And, um, follows a couple patients that were ful patients, and this is in my personal life. And, and so it's, it's a little bit about all of that. So I'm, I don't know why somebody wants to watch a, a 90 minute film about me and

Willow:

do, I wanna

Leah:

I would, yeah.

William:

Like the

Willow:

do we find out when and where and all that.

William:

I don't have any information. It's stuff that we're waiting to see if it gets picked up by Sun Dance Film Festival.

Willow:

But we need to get on your newsletter or I'm

William:

Well, I'll tell my, so my PR guy is, um, is going to be keeping track with people that may want to do interviews again once the film comes out and so

Willow:

Make sure we're on

William:

well make sure that you, that you're on there. So, um,

Willow:

Our people wanna watch it.

William:

Yeah, I think it's gonna be very interesting.

Leah:

Yeah.

William:

so, it's had good feedback.

Leah:

I know we're getting close on time, but I do have two questions maybe to wrap this up. One is, I'm sure this is a very sensitive, awkward thing to talk about. Um, I imagine people are, are embarrassed. Is there anything that you can say to someone who's like, I would really like to seek out help, but when I think about making a phone call, I am just, I, I, I don't know what to say. I feel embarrassed.

Willow:

Call the PhalloFILL network. Call the

William:

Well, you know, it's taboo to talk about and, and we're trying to change that. Breast augmentation was taboo in the seventies. Look at

Leah:

Oh, really? Huh?

William:

I mean, it was taboo to talk about, you know, in the seventies you didn't, it wasn't as, it wasn't as easy to talk about and now you can discuss it at the dining room table with your family, who you're gonna

Leah:

right.

William:

you're gonna do your enhancement. So we're hoping that, you know, in the next five to 10 years, PhalloFILL is progressing or pin on growth enhancement talks are progressing. We really hope that the film is gonna be, you know, an icebreaker for like, a lot of guys like, Hey, did you see that film? Um. Called whatever they decide to call it. And, um, and maybe be able to open up some conversations. I have come out and I'm now talking about my enhancement experience and in the film, and actually you're gonna see my, my penis in

Willow:

We get to see.

William:

I was told, I mean, they filmed, uh,

Willow:

see your penis.

William:

well, they, they filmed like every aspect of my life. I mean, I, they've film me on trips, on vacations. They, they, everything. So they, I would wake up in the mornings and they would like have the, the camera crew would be set up in my bedroom, so they would watch from waking up to showering and going through the whole process. And so I think that there is a shower seat.

Willow:

What was that like for you? How was all that?

William:

well,

Willow:

How was that for you? What was that like for

William:

it doesn't, you know, I'm not

Willow:

were good? Yeah. Clearly you're an open book.

William:

and so yeah, I've been doing all that sort of stuff for years.

Leah:

Now can people see before and afters, um, on your

William:

On our, our website,

Leah:

Get a feeling.

William:

I, we have the largest gallery of before and afters of any growth enhancement company that I've seen, and we have, we have over 60 that are on there. I have probably another 60 that I have tagged that need to be uploaded, but I'm so busy with training people and trying to run a clinic that I just can't, I haven't been able to get'em on there. I have to go through and count the syringes and look at the, the pre size and the post size. And there's a lot of information I've gotta tag to go with it. Plus we have to make sure that we have the correct medial releases in place for them to be on our

Leah:

Yeah. Right.

William:

um, so I, um,

Leah:

Well, for people to, to, and people can find that gallery www.phallowfill.com. Yep. So that's, that's P-H-A-L-L-O-F-I-L L.com. And then, um, that was one of my questions. There was a final one. Oh yeah. Okay. Where do you see this industry headed, like in the next five to 10 years?

William:

Okay.

Leah:

Do you got a feeling for that?

William:

I, this is exploding so fast. Um, so my clinic personally here, I've had my clinic doing growth enhancement for five years. Each year we are busier and busier and busier. Our numbers go up as far as our sales go. And then I also wanna preface that by saying that, um, when I first started doing growth, enhance in Dallas, it was me. And now if you Google penile growth enhancement in Dallas, there's 25 providers. So I'm still increasing my business, um, size every year, but there's also 25 times more providers in Dallas that are offered it than I am. So that means that exponentially, the amount of men that are having the procedure must be exploding. And we know that men have always wanted to change the size of their penis. Every man. Deep down whether or not they wanna admit it, generally would like

Willow:

Even if they have a big penis, they still wanna,

William:

so many greedy men that come in here. I said, your your penis is

Willow:

it's huge. Yeah. And they're like, I want a beggar.

Leah:

Big giant up inside. You know, sometimes that's a little overwhelming.

William:

It can be, but but I think that the, the, the need is out there and it's just now educating men to let them know that it's safe and that it's undetectable and that if need be, it can be reversed and that it's not so, um, crazy to want it and to ask for it other people are doing it. Lots of other people are doing it.

Willow:

Mm-hmm.

Leah:

Well, on that note, this is really cool. What a joy to have you on. Um, your total delight. And it's wonderful the work that you're doing, and I can just imagine how many people are gonna feel more secure and confident about how they love and how they feel about their body and how they even talk to themselves in their own head because we can be so critical when we don't like our body. Um, it can be so healing this type of process and procedure.

Willow:

One more

William:

I've had men that have come in here and they've had the procedure done, and then they come back three months later and they say, you will not believe what this has done. Not just for my, my sex life, my relationship with my partner, but in, but in my everyday life. You know, with my friends, I, big dick energy is real. And, and, and men say, I've gotten a promotion, I've been rejuvenated in my, in my company That was stagnant for years. And, you know, and I'm, I'm dating again and, you know, and I'm having more sex and I'm, I'm happy to take my clothes off now. I used to like always wanna be in a dark room or, you know, it really does change so much about a men. And I love, I've always loved working in aesthetics. But this is, is particularly, um, rewarding. Rewarding, having the aesthetic change that is undetectable and really looks good, but also just the stories that you hear about the changes that you make in someone's life.

Willow:

Ugh, love that. Thank you so much for the work you're doing. We had so much fun with you

William:

Yeah, this has been fun. I hope that I do come back and see you sometime.

Leah:

Yeah, yeah, of course. Anytime. So y'all, the show's not over. We still got the dish with me and Dr. Willow, so don't go anywhere again. Thank you so much, William.

William:

Thank you.

Leah:

Okay.

Announcer:

Now our favorite part, the dish.

Leah:

Well, dish time.

Willow:

I love William Moore. I love what he is doing. I love the way his mind works. I love anyone who thinks really big picture. You know, I feel like he's a, he's a big picture kind of thinker and that's his, and then all his, um, you know, work within medi spas over the years. And then learning about the how to, how to create this oph fill and the sleeve. The sleeve. That's such a crucial piece. I think that, um, yeah, I just love the way his mind works, love his brain. Cool guy.

Leah:

Yeah, I, um, I also am really touched by his willingness and his bravery to speak about his own insecurities and how, what led him on a personal note to be interested in penis enhancement, because that's a really sensitive topic and it's a rare man who would talk about that publicly

Willow:

Absolutely. I mean, and all the things he went through to like figure out the best plan forward, you know, with his own penis.

Leah:

and I think too, like when you think about breast augmentation, like a lot of women who've had breast augmentation don't really try to hide it, you know, or pretend like they haven't

Willow:

No, they, they wanna flaunt it actually.

Leah:

Well, yeah, but I wasn't always that way. You know, like we've had friends who've had breast augmentation and it, they, you know, they would swear a friend of secrecy that they had, and then the big betrayal when that friend told somebody else,

Willow:

Oh, I never, I never had that experience with anyone.

Leah:

Oh really? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, um, there's lots of women, so I'm just saying I like that he brought up that comparison. Like we're, we're not, we don't look at that as a big deal anymore. So what, you get enhancement here and there. It's becoming very, very normalized and I think that's really great. Um, I think whatever you're gonna do that makes you feel good about being in your own skin, you should be liberated. Fucking go for it. I mean, I've spoken on here how, uh, going through all the body drama that I've had over the years and times that I felt really unsupported regarding the lengths of which I needed to go in order to heal parts of that for myself are choices. A lot of people would frown upon would go, why can't you just do it naturally? Well, I don't know because I couldn't spent 20 years trying

Willow:

Right, exactly right.

Leah:

and uh, yeah. So there're gonna be just so much shame around wanting to be different than the way you are and pursuing that.

Willow:

Yeah. I mean, and there's so much, you know, societal, um, pressure and like, this is what's beautiful and this is what's hot and the cock should be this size and breast should be that size and, you know, waist should be looking like this. And it's, it's really, um, it's in our faces and in our heads on, on such a constant, consistent, um, level that it's, it's hard when we're swimming in water, it's hard not to get wet, you know? So like we all are sitting with this consciousness that we're supposed to look a certain way, that sex is supposed to sound a certain way and act out a certain way, and, and it really takes away from what's authentically true for us. And also, you know, there's discomfort in the body that there's pain and there's things that go on in the body when we're different sizes and shapes. And so I really think there are so many, so many wonderful things these days that can help us find the body that works for us, that makes us feel confident out in the world because that's the world we're living in we're swimming in the water. And also, um, that make us feel good as far as like our flexibility, our strength, and our ability to move around in our bodies. These are our vehicles, like let's do what we need to do to take care of them.

Leah:

Yeah.

Willow:

I will say, I mean I used to have some judgment on breast augmentation'cause I'm such a naturalist as y'all know. But I mean, over the years I've, I've just applaud women. I'm like. Good job. God bless. Good for you. You got what you needed and you look great. You know, and I, I'm such a supporter of, you know, just people getting to the point that they are gonna feel like they can walk more authentically and more confidently through the world.'cause the world is fucked up enough as it is. Like, we need to feel good in these vehicles.

Leah:

Yeah. Yeah. I hope more and more people are becoming less judgmental of other people who choose to modify their body in ways that feel right to them and naturally. I also don't wanna like also just diminish that there are ways that people go too far in their search for perfection and they're actually doing their body harm and their minds and things start to become more, uh, pathological and

Willow:

It's all should be in balance. Yeah. It all should be in balance. Yeah, I was, um, I, I liked to slip in the peptide thing in there,'cause I'm using peptides, I'm using bioidentical hormones. Those things are working for me at this point

Leah:

And things that five years ago, you probably would've never,

Willow:

no, definitely not five years ago. I was like, mm-hmm. But they are, they are still like natural things, you know, naturally occurring in nature and whatever. Not that I, you know, again, there's my, my

Leah:

Qualifying

Willow:

old judger.

Leah:

it's only okay if it's natural.

Willow:

totally, totally. But, um, but yeah, I think, you know, I'm just geeked out on helping people find their right weight and find their right, um, chemistry of their hormones these days. Because it's, it changes everything in your life, not only your body and how you feel walking around, but it changes your mind. It changes your spirit, it changes your heart, and it gives you a lot more availability to be in presence with the people that you are encountering in your life. And that's what we're always teaching in Tantra camp is like how to be a avail, like how to open your capacity for more joy and pleasure and whatever's coming through, you know, how to be more available and more present.

Leah:

I also really liked that we touched about the whole hair loss thing. Um, I thought that was really interesting. And would love to learn even more about that. Um. Yeah. So, gosh, and I really just liked who William was. I just enjoyed his, that, that got that Dallas thing going on. Um, and was just so open and generous with his time. I know we spent a lot more than just an hour with him. And, uh, yeah, I just, I, I wanna watch his movie like.

Willow:

Oh, I can't wait to watch this movie. Can't wait to Also, just so you all know, we had to do three different, we had to start the recording with Mil William Moore three different times because of internet issues and tech issues. And he was gracious

Leah:

rescheduled him like five times, like over a year.

Willow:

he was, every time he's been so gracious, like what a, what a saint.

Leah:

I was really impressed by like, you can get that much girth like you, you keep getting this treatment and you can get fuller and fuller. And it was more than

Willow:

two inch. Well, an inch with was like the first, you know, four treatments, I think it was. It's like a quarter of an inch for each treatment. I know. I wonder what that feels like.

Leah:

But then like, how does the head look if you're only putting volume in the shaft?

Willow:

Well, a lot of times heads are more of a mushroom top anyway, so they're bigger than the shaft anyway, so maybe it just looks a little bit more like a full cylinder in the end for most men. But I mean, every man's different. Every penis looks so different. So,

Leah:

God, I cannot wait to see the before and afters. I am gonna go look for yes. Like I'm so curious. No, it's also on his website.

Willow:

oh yeah. On the website, right.

Leah:

So if you're looking, you know, we always add you guys, um, so many links and so many resources to all of our show notes. Like, I really make an effort. I want you to know I make a big

Willow:

Leah puts a lot into those links.

Leah:

So if you think like you heard something, um, really interesting and you wanna fall back on that, like I got you covered. You gotta go to our website where we, um, put a blog post on the episode, an audio file for the episode and the video file of the episode so you can read, watch, or listen to it in any medium that you want. And that's where you can always find the links. And if you are listening to us on like, let's say, uh, Spotify or Apple, or you're watching us on YouTube, the link to find those links. I was always in the show notes in the description of the episode, so, uh, please hook yourself up. Yeah, I got you. I got coupon codes for you. All sorts of cool shit

Willow:

Leah's looking out for you guys. Yeah, exactly.

Leah:

Oh, okay. Well, uh, thanks for tuning in. Please like, subscribe and comment and we will see you on.

Willow:

Chacho.

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