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Avalaura Gaither: Why Your Boss Energy Is Killing Your Bedroom Chemistry | #160

• Leah Piper and Dr. Willow Brown • Season 3 • Episode 160

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Are you a successful woman who's conquered the boardroom but lost the spark in your bedroom? You're crushing professional goals while your intimate life crumbles. The modern successful woman faces an impossible paradox: society demands she operate in masculine energy all day (achieving, doing, conquering), then magically shift to feminine energy at home (receiving, flowing, being). But nobody taught us how to make this transition. This disconnect isn't a personal failure—it's a systemic issue affecting high-achieving women everywhere. The result? Depleted libido, sexless marriages, chronic burnout, and a nagging feeling that despite external success, something vital is missing. In this episode, intuitive coach, social worker, and author Avalaura Gaither reveals why the same drive that makes you successful at work is sabotaging your sexual empowerment and intimate relationships.

THIS EPISODE IS ESSENTIAL IF YOU:

  • Feel exhausted by the demands of being "everything to everyone"
  • Struggle to shift from work mode to intimate connection
  • Have achieved external success but feel empty inside
  • Experience low libido despite wanting passionate intimacy
  • Carry sexual trauma that impacts current relationships
  • Want to access your intuition but don't know how
  • Are ready to break the cycle of martyrdom and burnout

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Willow:

What if the key to unlocking your most fulfilling intimate life has nothing to do with techniques or partners, but everything to do with intuition. Today's guest works with celebrities and CEOs to access a hidden power source that's completely transformed their relationships, and she's about to reveal her most controversial approach that made her latest book too radical for the traditional publishers.

Leah:

tune in, turn on and fall in love with Ava Laura,

Announcer:

Welcome to the Sex Reimagined Podcast, where sex is shame-free and pleasure forward. Let's get into the show.

Willow:

Welcome, Avalara. We are so excited to have you here.

Leah:

And we're just gonna jump right into it. I would love to start with talking about your book.

Willow:

Yeah. why this book was like, the publishers were like, mm-hmm. We're not publishing that

Avalaura:

Well, first of all, the title Girl, live Your Effing Life. Um, it's, it's so interesting how it provokes a certain something, right? Like, so people who get it, they get it. They're like, oh my God, girl, yes, I love it. And then you kind of have like the church crew, they're like, oh my God, the language.

Willow:

Mm-hmm.

Avalaura:

like, it's about self love, right? It's about self care. It's about saying F everybody else, it's finally my time to take care of me. And what could be so wrong with that? How you know?

Willow:

I mean, yeah.

Leah:

So what is the argument? I mean, aside from sort of the F word being spelled differently in the title.

Avalaura:

I, you know, I think sadly, um, women owning their power. Right. Women saying That's enough already. Yes, you are important to me. I have all of these roles. I'm mother, I'm wife, I'm, you know, business woman, uh, caretaker, whatever it is. I'm finally going to put myself first because I am the most important thing because if I don't put me first, all these other things sink. All these other things fail. I think sadly now, that's still a very revolutionary thing for women to say, I have to take care of me first.

Willow:

Absolutely. And to have the voice to even express, first of all, the knowing that that needs to happen. And then to be able to express to community, loved ones, family members, you know that I'm gonna, I'm actually gonna put you down. I'm not gonna take care of you for the next three hours. I'm gonna go go take care of myself.

Leah:

or even in the next 20 minutes. I mean, for a lot of women, they don't have the luxury of taking three hours. It's like, can I just go to the bathroom by myself and, and not be needed, wanted grasp on, expected of obligated to, um. And, and I think because I'm curious what you would say to this if this is, if this resonates with you, if you're seeing this Avalara, my take is that women have so much more responsibility in everyday life. Not only is it tending to the home and, and in some cases having the children and still wanting to have a happy marriage in many instances. But it's also being a provider. And it's, it's being the researcher, it's making sure everyone is. Getting to do those sports that they wanna do or have those extracurricular curricular activities and maintaining that calendar and planning and doing all the research when it comes to a vacation and cleaning the whole house and their partner still wants them to like sex. I mean, it's like all these things and we want those things for ourselves too. We also enjoy being very accomplished in business and having a family that we hope are thriving, but we're still managing all the crisises, so we are worn out. We are tapped out and it's kind of like, what does the world expect of us when we are running the universe? Um, and I think that's why self-care has been such a big buzzword for the past, I would say. What you guys 5, 8, 10 years, is it? Has it been that long?

Willow:

a decade. Yeah, I

Avalaura:

It, it, you know, it's, yeah, it's interesting. COVID really just, you know, blew up self-care. But, you know, for, in my circles in mental health, right, we've been talking about selfcare for years.

Leah:

Right, Right, Because it's kind of like, you know, the classic metaphor of being on the airplane and you gotta put the oxygen on before you put it on somebody else. I think we're seeing that our quality of life and our mood and our feeling of of enjoying being alive has been greatly diminished when we are overburdened. And I think if we were to keep this sort of in the romance sector, in the sexuality sector, if we set aside all of the demands of having a family, Where it really affects women by and large is their ability to feel juicy. Is their ability to be attracted to their partner, is their ability to have orgasms. It's like when you're tired and stressed out, that cortisol, and correct me if I'm wrong, Dr. Willow, that cortisol like robs you of your libido. It kind of like suppresses your desire and then depression, anxiety sets in, and then you have a hard time feeling any desire for any other part of your life.

Willow:

Yeah, absolutely it does. And the, the fastest solution is to flood your body with some oxytocin. And the quickest way to that is an orgasm. So it's kind of like a, um, you know, it can become this sort of like, um, downward spiral when we're in that stressed out. What, what we're doing really from a Chinese medicine perspective is we're, um, running at such a yang state all the time. so. a sympathetic, dominant nervous system where we're constantly like like we can't, even if we have a moment to relax, we can't. Like, we're just too wound up. So we're depleting our yin, right? And so our yin is our juiciness. It's that fluidity, it's that watery. It's. That relaxation and that allowing, and one of the things Lee and I are always saying is like, really epic sexual energy is born from that yin tide, from that deep relaxation. Avalaura, I'm so curious. You know, you have been working with people who run at yang dominant nervous systems for a while, and I'm just so curious, like what's the biggest hurdle that you have to kind of get them through to. Get them to that yin place within.

Avalaura:

Yeah, it's, it's a great question and it's real because if you think about women who are type A who are high achievers, they are running on that yang energy, right? And they don't know how to do that in a yin way because we've never been taught. Like you don't know how to run a corporation to be a CEO or be successful in politics or um, in corporate with Yen energy, right? Because Yen says, you know, you can flow, you know, you can be emotional, you can cry when you need to, you know, you can take the space. It's a safe space, right? And. Corporate is not safe. You know, being a CEO is not safe. And so when you're running on that energy, you know, as a way of earning money, right? Um, the majority of your time, if you think about how much time we spend working, it's very hard to come home and then shift that. And so, okay, you know what? I've been yang all day now I can be yang.

Willow:

Right,

Avalaura:

know how to do that, right. Because this is what you've been doing all day. This is how you have been trained, this is now, this is your go-to. And so even if you actively say, I wanna live that soft life, right? I wanna be more feminine, you don't know how to physically do it because you haven't been in a position where you could do it.

Willow:

Mm-hmm.

Avalaura:

And if you are in a relationship, you don't necessarily have a partner who's used to supporting you in your feminine, right? Because they're still used to you doing everything. So,

Willow:

They're like, go ahead and yong out,

Avalaura:

right, like if your

Willow:

legs.

Avalaura:

depends on it, right? And I don't wanna do the, the, the dishes and I don't wanna do all this stuff. And I know that you're good at doing all of this and planning, I'm gonna let you do your thing. But then, like you said, of course, but now you want me to turn it on and off and, you know, or turn it off in the bedroom. You, you can't have it both ways. So if you're gonna support me in this, it has to be in the household and running things so that, yes, now I can be what you want and what you desire, and I have the energy to do that because really what it is, is I don't have the energy.

Leah:

Yeah, and I think you're right. I think there isn't like a lot of language for this. We're not taught how to transition from one polarity to the next, you know? And because we wanna be competitive in the workforce, because we also need that promotion. We also want that success. Here's the model of how you do that. Most of us do it from our masculine. You know, having that, bringing things into form and having drive and being active and like conquering and smashing goals, a lot of that does take, at least the model that we have so

Avalaura:

The model

Leah:

shows us that the weight is success is by behaving, acting, and contributing in a, in a specific, usually male dominated way. And then we're not, we don't have a model that says, here's how you transition into the feminine. Because I think even our partners, if we're in a heterosexual relationship, let's say, and this may also very easily be interchangeable and same sex relationship duet, our language might change for it, is that our partners also don't know. That the longing that they have has to do with also wanting our partner to transition. You know, we're happy that they're also smashing the goals that they want and are very competent and help our world be better and more efficient. But there's still a longing there. It's like everyone's missing that yin essence. Everyone is craving more of that flow inside of our partner and we don't know how to inspire that. You know, if we can start to make the bridge that one of the ways to inspire it is actually help out.

Avalaura:

Yep.

Leah:

Do the dishes, you know, give the kids the bath, put them to bed. You know that we beco, but that also requires a more egalitarian type of partnership, which then sometimes I think can frustrate a vulva owner who wants their partner to stay in their masculine, right? Who still wants that polarity and that sexual charge. If we're both doing both jobs of feminine and masculine, we tend to neutralize each other sexually. It's like we lose some of that sexual charge. This isn't actually a very complex topic, you know? And. As I'm sitting here going, I'm sure you, uh, like Willow and I have these kinds of conversations around masculine and feminine polarity and how to have more charge with our partners, but I think this is actually one of the biggest issues is how do we polarize each other so we can capitalize on that sexual magnetism intention. Still run our lives, still negotiate all the things that have to get done. Um, is this a conversation you're having, Avalara in your circles? Is this, does this arise in your work?

Avalaura:

a lot of it is, is a mental shift. You know, we talk a lot about mindset, right? I talk a lot about ego versus spirit and you know, understanding where you're operating from so you can come to that space where you can operate from your spirit, which for women is really our feminine self. You know, our spirit is whispering to us. It's not loud, you know, our ego is loud and yelling and you know, telling us what should be done and all the negative. And our spirit is, is flow and power and really soft and magnetic and the reality is for many of us, we don't, even for women, we don't know where we're operating from. We think our ego is our spirit and we think our spirit is our ego. So we don't even know where we're getting our drive and where we're making our decisions from. Right. So there's so many shifts that have to be made internally. And so when you were just saying that, and I'm thinking about, you know, my partner, I love when he cooks dinner for me. I love when he's helping the girls with their homework. Oh my God, that's sexy to me.

Leah:

totally, totally

Avalaura:

not, you know, making that is not emasculating him. So, because now I see that as him being the leader of his household, but for some men that is emasculating and for some women that is like, Ooh, that's a little soft. I should be doing that. Not for me, baby. Go ahead on and do it. I'll sit back here and enjoy.

Willow:

Well, but

Leah:

I think you make a very good point with that. Yeah. I think most women are like, huh, nothing sexier than watching a dad be a good dad, you

Willow:

A relief. Yeah, exactly. A little bit of help goes a long way in, in any situation.

Avalaura:

Absolutely,

Willow:

how do you

Avalaura:

of it.

Willow:

Go ahead.

Avalaura:

And I was about to say, part of it too is just again, us thinking about things differently. Not the way we grew up and not what our parents modeled for us or what we've seen modeled, but, you know, how can I be more efficient? So I had a client and I was talking to her. She has a very demanding job. She doesn't have a lot of time. Sometimes she, you know, her schedule shifts and she doesn't know when it's gonna shift, and she's talking about how difficult it is to come home, do the laundry, do all this stuff. And I said, well, why don't you get a laundry service? Or you know, why don't you have somebody come, you know, clean your house, maybe, you know, once or twice a month. And she said, Avalaura, I never even thought of that.

Leah:

Wow. Yeah.

Willow:

Yeah, it's this asking for help, you know, that is like so difficult. I remember when I sort of broke through that, that barrier of like, oh my God, I get to ask for help. I was actually on a ayahuasca journey and I needed like someone to take me to the bathroom, you know? And I was like, I need help, you know? And my voice was like so

Leah:

Wow.

Avalaura:

Wow.

Willow:

and so weak, and so it was just like, it was such a. Found revolution and whoever helped me to the bathroom was so happy to help me. You know? And like the whole rest of the journey, I was like, oh my God, I get to ask for help. I get to have, I, I deserve and I'm worthy. I'm like, you know, it was just so much of this like new, like blossoming of confidence came forward. And, and I feel like that's a really big piece. And, and tell me if you're seeing that, especially in these high powered women that you work with, Avalaura is just that, that it didn't even occur, you know, to this particular client, didn't even occur to her. Is that a big thing that you see a lot where it's like there's a, a low self worth or a low sense of deserving and then not even a thought to even ask for help.

Avalaura:

Yeah. You know, a lot of the, the, this book, you know, really talking about self-love and self-care and understanding how they intertwine. Right. And I started looking at these women and, and realizing that a lot of what they were experienced was low self-love. Like, even though like, yeah, I'm confident and I'm a badass and I may succeed in business and all of these things. Really, when you look at their self love, it is low on the totem pole. And you're absolutely right. It's, you know what, no, I'm not gonna ask for help. And or the, all the times that I've asked for help, nobody helps me. So I'm not gonna ask for it anymore. I just have to do everything myself. So now that, that becomes, I'm not worthy of help, there must be something wrong with me because nobody is helping me when I need it yet, I'm there to help everybody else when they need it.

Leah:

Yeah.

Willow:

think there's also a, a block inside of a lot of people in general, but particularly vulva owners of, of being able to receive help. Right. It's like they might be asking for. It. And then, you know, they're, they might not be getting it in the form that they wanted or, you know, um, they just, they have a, some kind of block inside to actually receiving. And I always say the receptivity is the feminines greatest superpower. That's what helps us, like be magnetic and draw things to us, is to really receive, um, the bounty and the beauty and the, you know, what is coming to us. So turning on that receptive dial and turning it up at at certain times can really drop you into your femininity so much quicker. And um, you know, one of the little tricks to the trade for turning on that receptivity is using your senses.'cause receptivity is really a something that's done in the present moment, right? We don't receive what's coming tomorrow and we can't receive what came yesterday. It's, it's what's happening now. And so our eyes, our nose, our, our tongue, you know, our ears, these sense organs that we have access to help us drop into that present moment. I'm sure I have a feeling that when you guide your clients through that they have like profound experiences.

Avalaura:

literally just had a conversation with a client this week about that exact thing because she's so in her head and she's already making up scenarios of what could happen or what will happen instead of actually just being in the moment. And I literally said that. I said, go outside, take your shoes off. Put your feet in the grass and ground yourself. Be in nature. Look at all the different colors. Right? See what you're smelling it. So I literally said the same thing and she was like, you know what? I'm gonna do that right now at lunch. Like, because she's so in her head. And you're exactly right. Like the way that you kind of come down into your heart space, into your spirit. Is to ground yourself and simply just be in the moment. And that's where the magic happens. Like when you can just be present and you can just intentionally say, this is what I desire, and then allow it to come to you instead of being in your head of, oh my God, this can go wrong. That can go wrong, this can happen, that can happen. You know, you can make up a whole scenario in your head, but when you're in that moment and you're just flowing and you're just intending, that's where the magic happens.

Leah:

I think too, what's sort of interesting is like the shadow side in some of this like. Inability oftentimes to receive. I know for me, it has a lot more to do with my ego and the conditioned response of what the martyr gets when I refuse help. It's like there's a part of me that goes, see, no one can do it the way I do it. See all this suffering. If you were to, if I were to receive, you'd be taking away my suffering, and then who would I be? You know, it's like I have to work this hard because no one else will do it, and I'm the only one who can do it. And wo is me, and woe is me. It's like the story of woe, and I think for a lot of women, especially like in my family, there is a martyr archetype that has gotten passed down to generation to generation

Willow:

Anybody else have one of those? Raise your hand.

Leah:

So like sometimes it's also breaking through the ego identification of, well, who will I be if I'm not the suffering woman who's refusing the help? It's almost like your help isn't good enough. You know, and so then like, what will I complain about? Like what would, who would I be

Avalaura:

How dare I be happy,

Leah:

I know, right? And then, and then which might lead us to back to the worth. Like that's like another layer that's has to be peeled back to go, well what does it mean if I don't know who I am?

Avalaura:

Yep. Outside of

Leah:

you know, without being the sacrificer, you know, the one that puts everybody else first. So it's really kind of interesting how many angles.

Avalaura:

Yes.

Leah:

can approach this from, which kind of leads me back to how you shifted your work. You went from social work into becoming an intuitive coach, and I'm curious what was lacking in the social work that that led you to wanting to help people sort of get more in touch with the spiritualization of all of this?

Avalaura:

Yeah. You know, I, for me, even though when I didn't have a name for it, I was always a healer and so I was acting from that space, yet I wasn't in spaces that really allowed me to do that. If that

Leah:

Okay.

Avalaura:

And so when I decided like, this is what I'm gonna do with my life, you know,'cause you're, you're supposed to decide at 18 when you go to college. Right. What you wanna do with your life. I was like, oh, I'm a major in psychology. Right. And my mom was like, well, you have to get a PhD. Okay fine. And I'm like, you know, I didn't know what I was signing up for. Um. But then I decided to go into social work. Um, you know, after talking to a mentor, he's like, you don't need a PhD. You can go into social work. And I get into social work and I'm like, oh hell, what is this? Like, you know, realizing that I was not gonna be able to make the impact that I really wanted to make in social work, um, that the system wasn't really set up to help people heal, but it was really to set up to help people maintain their dysfunction.

Willow:

Mm.

Leah:

Mm.

Avalaura:

if I wanna

Willow:

so well

Avalaura:

get to the roots. Like to the root and to really heal from the inside out. This system does not support that.

Willow:

right. It perpetuates it

Avalaura:

it perpetuates it and it allows people to stay stuck and in independent on the system. And I'm trying to help people to be free of the system and external forces and really tap into who they are.

Leah:

Nice.

Willow:

What, what was your turning point? Like how long were you in social work, and then what

Leah:

Yeah. Was there an inflection point that

Willow:

us about the transformation from Caterpillar to Butterfly.

Avalaura:

Yeah. Um, it was, it was really just, I got sick and tired of being sick and tired. Um, it, it, it's really, there was no set thing that happened. It was just a series of things that I kept seeing and it was me personally declining, not wanting to go to work anymore. Gaining weight. Um, realizing that I wasn't happy. You know, I'm a person, I literally laugh every day at everything at things that are probably totally inappropriate. And I wasn't laughing anymore. You know, it was just like, who is this person? Um,

Leah:

I just imagined like a hundred hands going up in the air going, I so relate to that. I'm gaining weight and I'm not laughing like that is such important

Willow:

and I hate, and I don't like going to work. It's like sucking my soul. I actually

Avalaura:

was the

Willow:

clients, yeah, I have clients who say that exact same thing and they're, they're, they're also feeling stuck within the system. You know, like the system also keeps the workers stuck in the

Avalaura:

absolutely. And you know, for me, and I was, even though I recognized that, I was still stuck because I didn't know where to go for help, which is crazy, right? Because here I am helping everybody else.

Willow:

Helping,

Avalaura:

But I didn't know how to help myself and I didn't trust the people that I worked with because it was a very toxic work environment. Even though it's supposed to be a healing environment, it was very toxic. Um, so who do I go to? Who do I trust? And, and, and that was, I was stuck there for a while and it just got to the point where I didn't care anymore. I was like, listen, I don't, I'm just gonna talk to somebody because I, I can't live in this space anymore. And, and I did. I finally just talked to one of my colleagues and, um, she happened to be having a women's retreat and she said, Ava Laura, you, you gotta come. And if she had said, let's go bungee jumping, at that point, I would've gone. I would've done whatever right at this point. Whatever she suggested, I would've done it. And this women's retreat literally changed my life, um, because it just allowed me to be reflective and have that time to be self-aware and to really see what was going on in my life, you know, because when we're going in the midst of the storm, we don't really pay attention to what's happening. We're just trying to survive.

Leah:

Right.

Avalaura:

And this gave me a moment to see like, whoa. What is happening to my life? Who am I? What's going on here? And I just had this emotional breakthrough where I just found myself on my hands and knees crying out to God. And I was like, you gotta get me outta here.

Leah:

Wow.

Avalaura:

I can't do this anymore. I didn't sign up for this crap. Get me out.

Willow:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Avalaura:

this is my prayer. Like I

Willow:

Uh.

Avalaura:

I can't do this. And

Leah:

how life brings us to our knees sometimes, and it's exactly what we need.

Avalaura:

It was exactly what I needed. I don't, you know, when I think about it, and you know, and I'm sure you all have seen this, I would've stayed, and I can't even tell you how much longer I would've stayed if I didn't have that moment. Because I was so concerned about my clients. I was concerned about my coworkers, my boss, all these obligations that I had, like I have to take care of these people. They were more important than me.

Willow:

right, right.

Leah:

right. Yeah. So you had the courage to shift, to pivot. What was your next step when you got back from that retreat? Eight.

Avalaura:

So let me tell you, I, I can't say that I all had the courage. I had the courage to cry out and ask for help. Let that, that's what I had the courage to do,

Leah:

right? on. Right on.

Avalaura:

I get to, I get back to work on Monday and my boss calls me into his office and he sits me down and he slides this envelope across the table and he says, valor, you have been amazing. Um, you're, you're a wonderful person, but I gotta let you go

Willow:

Wow. God answered your prayer.

Avalaura:

A little too fast. And not in the way that I desired, but clearly it was what I needed. And, and

Leah:

Wow.

Avalaura:

had that moment of ego versus spirit, right? My ego was pissed. You know, I had never been fired from anything in my life. I was the classic overachiever. Recovering perfectionist. Everything that I did, I did 150% so I could not believe that this man was firing me. And um, but my spirit kicked in was like Ava Laura, and literally Abel, Laura that whispered

Willow:

As quiet.

Leah:

Yeah.

Avalaura:

So what are you gonna do? You asked for this.

Leah:

Right

Avalaura:

So this is where I had the courage. I took what I call my six month healing sabbatical.

Leah:

Uhhuh.

Avalaura:

six months and I did my work. Who am I? Why am I here? Um, counseling. Started studying life coaching, studied reiki, hypnotherapy, aromatherapy, like any healing art I could get my hands on. And I took six months where I really just worked on.

Leah:

Beautiful.

Avalaura:

then at the end of that six months, that's when I opened up my business and really just said I wanna be the guide that I needed when I was going through, you know, one of the worst things in my life and I didn't know what to do. I need to be that guide for others because I know that there are other people out there who are struggling, who feel like they've done all of this work on themselves. They reached the mountaintop of success, and they're not happy, and something is off and something is wrong and missing, and I gotta figure out what that is because I know that there's more to life than this.

Willow:

And how did you get going in the direction of like, working with celebrities?'cause I think you've, you worked with some of the, um, the housewives, the, I never watched the show or anything, but,

Avalaura:

Don't worry. Plenty of us do.

Leah:

yes, exactly. I have to say they're quite entertaining.

Willow:

And, and there was some resistance right on, on, on their side when you came and started to guide and, and work with some of these celebrities who

Avalaura:

you know. So it's, it's sort of interesting. So part of the resistance was me. I was like, I don't know how this is gonna look on tv, right? Because if you watch The Housewives, I was doing the Real Housewives of Potomac, but you know, there's, there can be fighting going on, there's yelling, screaming. So I didn't know how receptive they would be, uh, to my help. But it was honestly awesome. I worked with Karen Hugger and her. Husband, which you all know Karen now, uh, the whole DUI and everything that's going on with that is a whole big controversy. And actually, I worked with her again this season even though they didn't show it. Um, unfortunately, because now we, we see the aftermath of what happened. Um, they were wonderful. I think it was really interesting how. It was a over two hour session, kind of reduced to two minutes on the show. Um, and there was a lot of valuable information that was not shared. That was right, that was not put out there, you know, but essentially it was like a lot of couples that I work with, particularly with high achieving women, is that they're not hearing each other, they're, they're not listening to each other. You need that intermediary to say, okay, listen, this is what she's saying. This is what he's saying, right? Because there's like this, this push and pull, and everybody's so set in their heads of what they're used to that they just can't get out of it to actually hear what the other person is saying.

Leah:

Right, which means you're misunderstanding each other and it's so unsatisfying when someone doesn't understand you because their inability to really listen and feel you and then you do it right back to them. It can be really painful. And so I, you know, I'm curious how you uncover like especially from an intuitive perspective, uncovered those sexual patterns. We're taking a look at people's sex lives. How are you helping them reveal that to themselves first, and then of course to their partner?

Avalaura:

Yeah. You know, a lot of it is when we get to that point, well, first of all. It's really about creating that safe space because this is, you know, sex and money. Like those are two of the things people do not wanna talk about. Right? Like they want it, but they don't wanna talk about it.

Leah:

Yeah,

Avalaura:

it's

Leah:

wanna hear about it in other people's lives, but that doesn't mean they really want anyone else poking around in theirs.

Avalaura:

Exactly. So it, it really is a vulnerable space. So getting them to that point where they can really be vulnerable and honest.'cause a lot of people wanna lie, you know, like, they wanna make things seem better than they are. Oh. You know, we're

Willow:

they're lying to them to themselves, so how can they be honest with their partner

Leah:

and they wanna keep up with their social media identity. You know, it's like, I don't want people to find out that I feel like I'm a failure at this sector in my life. I don't want people to know that. I don't even wanna

Avalaura:

people to know that we're in a sexless marriage. Right. Like that, you know, I'm too tired. I don't feel like it, I don't want to what, whatever it is. And, and, you know, or he doesn't desire me the way that I feel he should, or he, you know, the romance is gone. We don't date anymore. Like, whatever it is. Like, I don't wanna say we're in a sexless marriage. Like yeah, we're married and we've been married 20 years and everybody thinks it's perfect and really I'm dying inside.

Willow:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Leah:

I can, you know, it's, that's such a difficult position to be in, especially because all those things you just mentioned, they corrode trust, and how are we gonna get naked with somebody? And bring our bodies together when we don't even trust each other, you know? Or we don't respect each other anymore because of the obstacles that we have faced that didn't go the way we had hoped or planned. And now it's like, here we have this partnership, but we only are really good partners in a couple of areas. And then we have these other areas that we're kind of ignoring and you know, we're embarrassed by them. And then like trying to fix'em just gets harder and harder. So how do you help people have breakthroughs?

Avalaura:

Yeah. You know, the self-awareness

Leah:

establish safety

Avalaura:

Yes. You know, self-awareness is key. Um, it's like you were talking about the martyr syndrome, right? Like, you have to know that about yourself first before we can actually deal with the problem. So this poor microphone. Um, so I really have to get them to see themselves, to be self-aware. I could not fully, you know, deal with my problem and ask for help until I realized like, whoa, like this is how bad things have gotten. This is where I am. I hate my job. I don't like my life anymore. I'm not happy. I'm depressed. So getting people to be very self-aware, to really see the gravity of what's going on. And so you now see what's going on where you are, and then look at, but where do you actually wanna be? And then start to see the gap

Leah:

Ding, ding, ding, where do you wanna be? Who are you right now. But where, who do you wanna be? Where are we headed? Uh, that is such a powerful piece of inquiry.

Avalaura:

Yeah, it is. And a lot of people, it does not feel good,

Willow:

Mm. Right. Well, because it feels so far away, it feels like where I wanna be and where I am. There's, it's an impossible gap. Like, there's no way I could get to where I wanna be. But it's that first identification of like, well, where, where do you feel like you're getting now? You know, in this particular moment in time, and you find those little sticky points where you're like, ah, I can't get through this hurdle. And you just one by one, you start to break through. And I feel like, you know, the transformational process, yes, it can take time, but it also can go really quickly. It just depends on like how much resistance there is inside of a person, right? How, how attached are we to the martyr archetype or to whatever archetype? That we're dealing with, that we can finally identify how, how, how much does that bring us safety? And how much does that bring us comfort? And are we willing to live outside of that comfort zone? You know, are we willing to surrender through resistance and find the other side, which is unknown. It's like I've always been this. I don't know what it means to not be this anymore. It's completely unknown. So the unknown is scary, right? As human beings, we want to know, we want to have a path laid out before us. We want that sense of security. But when you're bringing in what, what you're bringing in valara, this like intuitive sense and the the ability to feel and. Follow your heart and listen to spirit as it's guiding you. Sometimes it's gonna guide you in a direction that you have no idea what's on the other side of that.

Avalaura:

Many

Willow:

So there's a deep sense of faith, there's a deep sense of trust that has to be built and created. And I feel like, you know, I'm working with people a lot who are, who are like, that sounds nice. I'd like to have a deep sense of faith and trust. How do I do that? What are, give me some tools, give me some steps, you know, because it's, um, it's not inbred in our culture that we, that we have faith and that we have,

Leah:

Well, I think that's a good and an interesting segue to kind of bring in. Uh, the intersection between energy work and intimacy.

Avalaura:

Mm-hmm.

Leah:

Because there are some things that I think really can weave into this. It's like you have the experience of, okay, we've, we've sorted out how to make ourselves safe for ourselves, and now for our partnership, we've each taken accountability for our parts and the things that didn't necessarily contribute to harmony. And now we can do a pivot towards each other instead of away from each other. We're reestablishing a sense of trust because of personal accountability and personal responsibility that can be so healing. And now we're starting to get the vision of, okay, this is where we're at now. We've made some shifts. We are starting to become who we wanna be.

Avalaura:

Yes.

Leah:

work to do and I do think it's interesting as we're cultivating intimacy and returning toward towards love and trust so that we can be really naked with each other, physically, emotionally, spiritually, all those things that make like love so rich when they're there. Like this is where I really imagine like the energy work really starts to come in and starts to make a foundation for a little bit of faith and hope. How do you play with, you know, using reiki to help people, you know, what, what is Reiki giving them? How are you using energy work to bring intimacy to folks?

Avalaura:

yeah. You know, the thing that I love about reiki and and energy work is, you know, I always tell my clients like, listen, I'm the vessel. I don't know what your experience is gonna be. These are all the things that could happen, but ultimately what I know to be the case is that you're going to get the energy that you need right now, and that energy shifts. So a session today can be completely different from a session tomorrow and the next day, and the next day it, it shifts based on what you need most at this time. And so one is being very intentional. But two is trusting that you'll have the experience that you need most and allowing that to happen. Not feeling the need to control, right, because

Leah:

Oh, that's such a big one.

Avalaura:

this too, right? Feeling like you have to be in charge of everything. But this is a time to be able to let go and surrender and just allow things to be what they

Willow:

Hallelujah.

Leah:

This is a difference between being a control freak and being a control artist because the control artist knows when to set that brush down and just allow the present moment to give them what they need. Like you said.

Avalaura:

Yeah. And so that's a huge part of the process. And you know, what I love about energy healing is that it gives you permission to one, be in the moment like we talked about, to surrender, but also to feel whatever you feel. Because a lot of times during these sessions, feelings come up that you didn't even know that you were having, that you couldn't put into words. And so, you know, we might have a session where we're talking, but you don't even know that this is what's going on with you. Until now we're doing reiki and you're like, whoa, what is this that's coming up for me now,

Leah:

Right? Like a wound from childhood.

Willow:

hidden emotions and

Leah:

something finally got safe enough inside of you that you're, you allow something that's been suppressed, that's caused you to be numb, suddenly has a place to be cathart expressed and then let go of, I mean, that feels miraculous when those happen.

Willow:

That's the

Leah:

That's the magic. baby. That's the, that's the transformation of, of healing right there. And

Willow:

And isn't it so fun to help to guide people through those moments? I always call it. it's like giving someone ice cream for the first time, especially inside of sexuality. You know, like to give people sexual experiences that they've heard about. Maybe they've heard about'em, maybe they haven't. But like for them to experience their bodies in new ways that, um, you know, are, are so expansive and, and it shows them what they're capable of. And it is, it's just like phenomenal to witness.

Leah:

curious, like along the this thread, how much does sexual trauma.

Avalaura:

Mm-hmm.

Leah:

up in moments like this because I, I, from my own experience, how much sexual trauma can really disrupt intimacy between partners. That unhealed thing, it, it can come out in so many different forms. Is that something you see over and over?

Avalaura:

I see it a lot. Um. You, you know, the, I don't know of any studies, right? So I, I, I can't say that this is, this is true or not, but there really, I have seen a lots of type a women have a lot of sexual trauma, if that

Willow:

It makes sense. It makes sense because they're protecting themselves on some level from going into a vulnerable state.

Leah:

Well, Yeah, but also you, you compensate by, if you feel broken in one area, you get really good in other areas so you can compensate this feeling of fucked upness with some feeling of greatness.

Avalaura:

It, it is, and it's also, I have to protect myself because nobody else will.

Leah:

Right,

Avalaura:

Right. So I have to have my money, right? I have to have, I have to be independent because I can't depend on anybody and that, so that then is the driving force. And when you get down to it, you do learn. And it might not be, you know, an outward thing, but it might be a situation where maybe it was, it was date rape, right? Like something that's very sort of. What's the word? Not cut and dry, you know what I mean? Where it's kind of ambigu, it is not black and white, but you like, you feel like something wasn't right. You know, something was broken there, but I can't really describe it. And so because it's not black and white, I don't really know how to define it for myself. So I kind of just dismiss it and write it off as not being important. Right? Instead of intuitionally

Willow:

often,

Avalaura:

often, and we don't talk about it.

Willow:

Yeah, because they, you know, I think statistically it's one in three women goes through rape or sexual trauma in their life and one in four men I believe. And um, and, but I don't think these are included. So I think it's actually more like two in three, you know, these, these sort of like gray area trauma, transgressions, rapes, whatever you wanna call them.

Avalaura:

Yeah, because there's

Leah:

Right, or just feeling used, abused, or misused, whatever that Tao, whatever form that takes.

Willow:

Right,

Avalaura:

that, that's a whole nother thing, especially in these day streets right now. Um, but, you know, yeah, I didn't know he was in a relationship where he was married and, you know, we were in a whole relationship and I gave myself to him and then to find out I was the side chick. I

Leah:

Right.

Willow:

Right.

Leah:

Right. Right. I think just feeling used is a really interesting, it sums up so many of our experiences, whether it was traumatic, I mean it traumatic in any sense, right? Big T, little T, that's all subjective, but I think that's really a common thread that a lamen a lot of women have experienced in their life. And so then we're very guarded around letting that happen to us again. And then there comes that theme of receiving. It's like we're coming full circle back on allowing others to support us in a genuine way that we can really believe them. And one of the things will, and I always say is that a lot of trust issues, we think it's outside of us. That it's like, it's because I need to trust you. But really when you take a closer look, it's why don't I trust in me? I don't trust that I'm a good picker. I don't trust that I will be loved. I don't trust that I'm lovable. I don't trust that I'm worthy. I don't trust that I'll be able to not make the same mistake over and over and over again. And so, so much of that inner working is in trust, is like, how can I heal that I will still make mistakes, but I'll trust I'll be okay.

Avalaura:

Mm-hmm.

Leah:

Which kind of just kind of also sums it up. It's like I can trust I'll be okay no matter what happens. And that belief offers so much fucking freedom to be in more in the present moment, living more authentically. I'm really curious how sexual empowerment translates, it's like there's something about becoming empowered sexually that ends up affecting other sectors of our life. And it sounds like those two really go hand in hand in your work between women feeling professionally successful when they feel sexually successful, or would you put those words together?

Avalaura:

I mean, we're holistic beings, right? And so we all, they, all things operate together, you know, in the circle. And you know, one of the things that I do like when I'm working with my clients is we identify the areas that are out of alignment, right? Because if any area is out of alignment, we're out of alignment, right? And a lot of times, again, you know, you'll see the correlations. Right? And if we look at our sexuality when we're most vulnerable, whatever that sexuality looks like to you, right? That's, we're in our most vulnerable state, literally. So your ability to be vulnerable affects every other area of your life. If you can be vulnerable sexually, if you can ask for what you want sexually, if you know how to please yourself sexually, right? If you trust yourself to, to be naked and to see yourself fully, if you can do those things, then you're going to show up differently in your life, in the workplace, and your relationships and your families. You know, it's, it's just like the woman who has on a beautiful, um, you know, lingerie set or bra and panties right underneath her clothes. And she's the only one who knows she has it. So she shows up differently because she feels sexy on the inside Right now, you know, people are looking at you like, yo, something's different. You know, did you cut your hair? Like, you know, did you lose weight? Like, there's something going on with you. They feel it, they sense it, even if they don't know what it is.'cause you're showing up differently. You're

Leah:

Well said.

Avalaura:

These areas in your life that are now lit up, that before they were, they were dead.

Willow:

Oh, I love that. It's like, it's like opening from the, from the root and the second chakra up, right? All the other sectors, all the other Chakras of life start to transform and change. I always like to say, you know, watching somebody have a sexual awakening and, and an infusion of that, an integration of that into their lives. It's like watching a, a plant that hasn't been watered in a, a week and a half start to get watered and it starts to grow and it, it's. Leaves expand and spread and yeah, you can really see a, a visible difference. You know, there are certain things in our life, like when we're getting, you know, if we, if we're depleted of them, they, they cause detriment to our health and sexuality, I feel like is such an important part of our health that is so easy to sweep under the rug. Oh, I don't have the energy. Oh, I don't really have a have a partner, it's fine. I don't need to self pleasure, I don't have the time, whatever. And it's, it's this part of our health that, um, when we do pay attention to it, we do water that plant, it waters us back

Leah:

Uh, well said.

Willow:

to change.

Leah:

I love it does water us back. Yeah. When we do water that part of our soul, this juiciness, we have access to the juiciness. What a surprise. Well said both of you. I really, I really love that. Um, now I know you have a five minute practice. That is really transformative and it sounds like when your high achieving clients, you know, do this practice that they not only transform their sex life, but it actually really transforms their income within a few months of implementing it. Can you say something about this practice of yours?

Avalaura:

Yeah. You know, a lot of what we, you know, we talk about, it's so funny how all these things intersect. I talk a lot about manifestation, right? And, um, and, and they all work together. So we're talking about sexuality. We're talking about intimacy. We're talking about vulnerability, right? We're talking about being in the moment. All of these things too, also help you to manifest, right? It helps you to be more intentional. It helps you to be very clear about what are the things that you really want in life? Not the things that people tell you you're supposed to want or not, the things that you've been working towards that you think you're supposed to want, but what you actually truly in your heart, in your body desire, right? So that level of clarity and that level intention and that level of being in the moment and being vulnerable now opens you up to really get the things that you want out of life. So, like I said, I was on this retreat, I was present in this moment. I had this emotional breakthrough and immediately afterwards, literally can't make this up. I get fired from my job, I get released, right? So now I have the freedom to be on the path that I really want to be on. It

Willow:

Yeah.

Leah:

Yeah.

Avalaura:

of those things for it to happen.

Willow:

Right.

Leah:

And so how did you come into intuitive alignment? What was, I mean, it sounds like you got into alignment'cause you got real and a prayer was answered. And so is there something that you give your clients that helps them reorganize their own intuitive alignment?

Avalaura:

Yes. A lot of that is when we're doing the ego versus spirit work. How do you identify how ego shows up? How do you identify how spirit shows up? How often are you operating in ego? How often are you operating in spirit and really doing that assessment and then looking again, looking at the gap, and then, okay, what were the moments that something clicked for you and then you didn't listen and what was the

Leah:

Mm.

Willow:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Avalaura:

at that, then we can kind of trace back and look at, okay, now what if you have that moment again, what could the outcome be if you listen? Right? And so

Leah:

I love that.

Avalaura:

lot of that work tracing back and looking at those moments. And then people start to see like, wow.'cause a lot of us think we're not intuitive and we really are.

Willow:

know why that is.

Avalaura:

because we don't listen, and nobody taught us how to really pay attention and honor our intuition, right? Like our feelings feel like there's something that they, they're nagging us. Like how many women are like, oh my God, anger, oh, I shouldn't feel this way, or I hate feeling sad. And I'm like, don't you realize your feelings are your intuitive messages?

Willow:

Yeah.

Avalaura:

Your, your feelings are carrying information that you need. And if you listen to that information, here's the outcome that you can have in your life. But if you continue to dismiss, deny, act like it doesn't exist, it just reject it. This is the other pattern that's gonna continue to happen in your life. And so a lot of us, we don't know how to handle it and so we just dismiss it and we think it's not important or it's, you know, it's something that I don't wanna deal with. And so we're, again, we're disempowering ourselves. We're shrinking ourselves and we don't know how to get out of it because we don't want to feel

Willow:

I am so glad you're bringing

Leah:

well said.

Willow:

our audience.'cause you know, I, I feel like Leah and I have been on the path of following our intuition for so long. I forget that people don't do it right. I forget that it's, that so many people don't believe that they have intuitive powers, you know,

Leah:

Well, yeah.

Willow:

so it's just, it's so great to, you know, pull it back and, and, and, and share with people, what's possible when you start to listen to your emotions rather than override, negate sweeping them under the rug, you know, and just, um, spiritually bypass what's actually really going on. Like to really feel what is the emotion inside of your body?

Leah:

Yeah. So many people don't know

Avalaura:

Oh, I was say, we talk about people gaslighting us, but we, you know, but we gaslight

Willow:

Gaslight

Leah:

Totally. We're probably better at gaslighting ourselves than anyone

Willow:

Oh, for sure. Yeah,

Leah:

And I think it's'cause it hasn't been modeled where do you find inner guidance? What does it feel like in your body? And then here's the measurement. When you look at the outcomes. What happens when you believe the ego? What happens when you're guided by, by, um, you know, uh, uh, alignment. That inner guidance comes back again where you're connected to spirit and soul, and then what are the outcomes of that? How do you feel them both in your body differently so you can begin to trust from embodiment standpoint where the sensations live in your system. And then the more you observe them, the more you measure them, the more you trust them. And we don't have a lot of language for that. And so I'm sure if you're listening right now, you could probably use a session with Ava Laura to help you track yourself, to have a place to be able to hear yourself, say the things you need to hear out loud, and then have that reflected to you so you can start to sort out your own inner guidance.'cause I think the thing that's really beautiful about coaching that is different from therapy is having someone be able to ask you powerful questions so that the answer you're seeking comes from you. It's not advice necessarily given from a therapist who's giving you like, here are the next steps. It's you're discovering for yourself what those steps are, and when that comes from the inside, the likelihood of you following through is like 10 times greater.

Willow:

And I just wanna say, to be fair to therapists, many therapists also do pull,

Leah:

Well, a lot of therapists do coaching now. You know, like there is a bridge that they're, they also have

Avalaura:

I work with a lot of therapists and they, and they are starting to do that. They're also starting to embrace energy work as well. Um,

Willow:

so

Avalaura:

yeah, when I teach reiki, a lot of my, my students are therapists or mental health

Willow:

Oh, great.

Avalaura:

Which is awesome, but I think it's because they know they have to, like people are looking for this and traditional mental health no longer works. I don't think it ever did work. It just, that's what we had and now we're recognizing we have these options and we need to utilize them because you know, if you want someone to really be whole, you have to operate from that space of wholeness, not this one part of ourselves.

Leah:

Well, every healing, um, program I've done or certification I've done, half the group is therapists. These are not, you know, most therapists are, are asking themselves really good questions. So it's always in good company. But I do think it's interesting when we take a look at the things that, that make coaching different from therapy. It's a lot of times it's those powerful questions. Um, And I think. And the process. Yeah. So I know you have right, right. Um, and I think it's a great hybrid, both therapy and coaching coming together. Um, so I understand you have a free gift for our audience, which is a self-care audit. We'll have a link in the show notes for that. What, what can you say a little bit about the self-care audit?

Avalaura:

Again, you know, so much of our journey is awareness or lack of awareness, right? And so sometimes when we're thinking about we don't recognize how we're not taking care of ourselves, right? Because we have this limited view of what self-care looks like, we have a very limited view of what self-love looks. Like, so I can have a client, oh, I love myself. And then we're talking, and all of their actions demonstrate that they don't love themselves, right? Or they're not actually taking care of themselves. And so this self-care audit allows you to see all the different ways that self-care shows up. And you get to answer some questions, right? You get to answer some powerful questions, right? And see how you're actually doing with your self care.

Leah:

Cool.

Willow:

fun thing. I wanna try it. I wanna, I wanna see how I'm doing. I think I'm doing really good, but maybe there's some shadows that I don't see.

Leah:

All, you know, chances are we all got'em. Um, anything else you would like our audience to know before we say goodbye?

Avalaura:

Yeah. You know, I love this conversation. It was powerful. We talked about a lot, right? And so I, I absolutely think you can watch this and listen to this again and again and again. And you know, what I say is I think that everything is really about not just receiving, but then actually what are you going to do? Right? So don't get overwhelmed by what you heard, but whatever resonated with you, take action, right? Do something about it. Take that next step, um, because it resonated with you for a reason. Um, and, and, and so, you know, I'm all about empowerment and saying, do something. Even if it's just one little thing, just do something to take that next step to where you wanna be.

Willow:

Absolutely. Great advice. Such a pleasure to have you, Ava Laura. I'm so glad we got to. Meet with you today and share your wisdom and beauty with our audience. If you all have just been listening, I highly recommend you go to YouTube and look at this beautiful goddess of a woman and just behold her, her radiance, because she clearly is walking her talk and, um, you know, being an embodiment of what she teaches in the world.

Leah:

Yeah, so you can see Ava Laura on TikTok on Instagram, on YouTube. Her website is ava laura.com. Thanks for being on the show. For the rest of you, uh, still, you know, tune in, turn on, and fall in love with more of Leah and Willow because the dish is coming right up.

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Willow:

What a gorgeous woman. I just love her presence.

Leah:

I love her name too. Ava Laura.

Willow:

never heard it.

Leah:

And yeah, it's a great little Ava Laura combo.

Willow:

Uhhuh.

Leah:

And, um. Yeah, I really, I really love, um, how she brought some of the concepts that we were discussing and brought it back to like the soul level. Brought it back to like, it's not so much a cookie cutter process, one size fits all. This is how you reach success in five steps. It's really about going to the soul of each individual and helping them unpack and like it's like seeing through the curtain. Here's all the things you haven't been seeing clearly that are an opportunity for you to course correct. Um.

Willow:

Yeah. I love that. Like the population that she's working with and also be, I was saying this to her right when we stopped recording, like being on the east coast and bringing, um, bringing this sort of more, uh intuitive and kind of what we would might call woowoo, you know, reiki and things like that, to a population that wouldn't otherwise be awakened or aware of the potentials that they hold inside of themselves.

Leah:

See, I think that's pretty alive on the east coast. I think where it's less alive is, is the center of the country.

Willow:

Oh, for sure.

Leah:

your Iowa's, your Idaho's and your Nebraska's and you know, probably Mississippi and Arkansas. I think it's a little more like coast to coast,

Willow:

Oh yeah. More progressive, of

Leah:

a little more progressive and DC's very progressive. Um, so yeah. Interesting. Right. And then we all have our pockets, even in California. I was just talking to, Charles and Christie were here last night for dinner and Judith was in town and um, Judith was asking, so is Sacramento, you know, pretty conservative. And we're all like, yeah, I think so. I think there might be a few pockets that are more liberal. Um. You know, I just feel like everything is such a weird soup right now because of all the politics and it feels like, I don't know, everything just feels kinda wonky. I don't know what to believe anywhere I look. I'll be honest, I don't even know what I believe half the time when I look, that's probably the bigger problem

Willow:

Yeah. I mean, any, anywhere you go, you're gonna find, you know, the full spectrum

Leah:

Well, that's why I guess, I think assumptions are dangerous, you know, because how can we know if we're not living there ourselves? And even then back to my point, what do I know about even

Willow:

do I know? Yeah. What's, what do I believe? Yeah,

Leah:

Right.

Willow:

absolutely. Yeah. Um, yeah, you know, her, her work, I think with, um, with high level like yang, I wanna say, I keep wanting to say young, you know, living, living people who are really

Leah:

And I wonder what a good word is other than yang, that people would recognize.'cause I often use the word masculine to interchange that, to give people,'cause not everyone listening

Willow:

Why? Also then I, then I often will say

Leah:

what yang is, but they don't even know what yang is because the proper pronunciation is yang. But most

Willow:

not yang.

Leah:

So every time you say young, there's a part of me that goes, oh God, does anyone know what that means?

Willow:

Oh, like, like, like Tantra, Tantra, Tantra, Tantra. Um, potato. Potato. But yeah, I mean, just people who are, who are high achievers, we'll call it that. High achievers. Yeah. Who, you know, on the outside, on the exterior have it all together, quote unquote. And then on the inside might be, might be really breaking down because they're so accustomed to, um, overriding what's going on on the inside in order to achieve. And, um, I think that's such an important, that population has resource Right. Has, um, connections has. Has a lot that they could offer the world if they can, um, really find inside of themselves the, uh, energy, right? That like the truth and the, um, wow. If I really come to my truth and I, and I am honest with myself, it, it really changes the, the whole world around me, it changes my life. So if I, you know, if I could bring that to others, I think that's one of the cool things about this work is like, when you find it for yourself, all you wanna do is, is share it with others, you know?'cause it's so

Leah:

totally. You know, I was interested when she was talking about the UM, housewives. I was like, oh, I haven't really gotten into Potomac Pot Potomac, Potomac.

Willow:

what's Potomac? I don't watch anything.

Leah:

so like there's the, there's the Housewives of New Jersey. This is a Bravo show. There's the Housewives of New York, the Housewives of Beverly Hills, the Housewives of Orange County, Housewives of Miami. They've done these different, um, now there's the housewives of of Salt Lake. And then there's the house waves of pot, pot Potomac. Those are two of the cities I haven't gotten into because I stopped paying for cable. And like everybody else, I just do like, I subscribe to Netflix and you know, whatever. And, and Bravo hasn't always had all their shows on all of those subscriber networks. I think they mostly have it on, um. Hulu anyways, so I haven't watched it. So it's like if she had said the, the Housewives of New Jersey, I'd be able to, I know all the characters, but I dunno the Potomac girls and now I wanna watch him because I want the, I want the juice, I want the, I want the gossip on. Okay, what about this girl on the DUI and everything else?

Willow:

Oh my gosh. Hilarious.

Leah:

funny how that kind of hooks you,

Willow:

I know our brains do like drama. They really do.

Leah:

Yes, we like the gossip. Well, um, yeah, I can tell she's a real deal kind of coach. So hopefully you will take her audit and you'll learn something about yourself that you can really integrate and utilize and make some shifts.

Willow:

Yeah. More self love for the win.

Leah:

All right. I know you're traveling today, so have a great trip and, uh, love, love, love to everyone out there.

Willow:

Cheers.

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