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Dr. Juliana Hauser 2.0: From Yuck to Yum - The 10 Secrets of Holistic Sexuality | #109

• Leah Piper, Dr. Willow Brown, Dr. Juliana Hauser • Season 2 • Episode 109

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Returning Sexpert, Dr. Juliana Hauser, a true pioneer in holistic sexuality education with a Ph.D. in counseling education and a background in gender studies, brings a wealth of wisdom to reimagining how we approach sex ed. As a licensed marriage and family therapist, professional counselor, and creator of sex-positive education programs, she's on a mission to transform how we understand and teach sexuality.

WE'RE DIVING DEEP INTO:

  • The 10 circles of sexuality (spoiler: it's way more than just the birds and bees!)
  • How sensuality can be your secret weapon for sexual empowerment
  • Teaching teens about sex using "yuck and yum" (it's not as weird as it sounds!)
  • Dr. Hauser's revolutionary Holistic Sexuality Compass
  • Cultivating sexual agency in every aspect of your life


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Leah:

Welcome back to the Sex Reimagined Podcast. I'm Leah Piper, your Tantra expert, and I'm with the wonderful, the beautiful, the lovely Dr. Willow Brown, who represents the Tao.

Willow:

Hey now. Um, okay, you guys, you're going to love this interview today. We interviewed Dr. Juliana. We've had her on the show before. We're huge fans of her and her work. She's got a PhD in counseling education, experience teaching graduate therapists, to be effective therapists, as well as background in teaching gender studies. She's a licensed marriage and family therapist and a professional counselor, as well as a mother, and she has written sex positive education programs for her own business and for Planned Parenthood. She's run halfway houses for women in recovery. She's worked with sexual abuse survivors and sexual abusers as well and has provided therapy for individuals, families, and couples. She was also a clinical director at a university's counseling center and she is a wealth of wisdom. I mean, she's so fun to talk to. She's so wonderful. All about agency, sexual agency, to be able to choose and to really know what's right for you. So you're going to love this episode. She brings so much to the table, especially if you're a sexpert, you're really going to dig this episode a lot. So if you've been studying sexuality

Leah:

a parent.

Willow:

or a parent, Oh yeah, there's some good stuff in here. You're going to dig it. So tune in, turn on and fall in love with Dr. Juliana.

Leah:

that's right. And after you listen to this episode, go back to episode 43 and get another dose of the beautiful Dr. Juliana.

Announcer:

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Leah:

Welcome back! Yay! Dr. Juliana's in the house! We,

Juliana:

Oh, I'm glad.

Willow:

love interviewing her. She's just a wealth of wisdom and since we had our last interview with you, you have done a TED Talk all on agency. We talked a lot about that on our last episode and um, so go check that episode out if you have not been introduced to Dr. Juliana yet. She's just prolific in her ability to, um, share with us about really anything about sexuality. So before we press record, we're like, what should we talk about today? And, uh, she's got some interesting things to share. Um, let's,

Juliana:

happy to be back. It's great to speak to you all.

Willow:

yeah, let's drop in about what we were just chatting about. The, um, I'll, I'll let you kind of take it away.

Juliana:

Sure. So, uh, I was talking about one of the main, like, understanding, understandings of holistic sexuality comes from a body of work and a graphic that's called the Circles of Sexuality. So this was an early introduction that I had to what, if I wanted to look at sexuality in a holistic way, which is something that I was drawn to. I knew that. Sexuality was just so much more than sex acts and who you're having sex with. So I started researching and looking at it and I was able to go to this conference and in the conference, I saw this, this graphic and it was, it had, there were five different circles to it and it was relationships. It was behaviors and like sex acts. It was your identity. And in the middle of it was values. It had the word values. And that didn't sit right with me. I mean, I think, you know, a lot of us have a reaction to the negativity that some people have put between values and sexuality that they're often values means there's a right and there's a wrong. It's not really what he, what they meant, but the visceral reaction to it is so big. I just knew it needed to be changed. And this was back in 2005 that I first saw this. Now the graphic was made by a man named Dr. Dennis Daly in 1981. And, you know, Bless him for doing it. Uh, back in the day, my, my belief is that there was probably a group of people who were doing it and it, but I could be wrong. Um, and in 1981, this was revolutionary. Nobody was talking about holistic sexuality. So I want to give him props for starting the conversation and saying that back in 81, if you think about the political climate then, and it was vastly different. And it was not supportive of having even really any kind of great sexuality education. So big deal that he did it. But fast forward from 1981 to 2005 and there has been no change to it really is insanity to me that We have changed so much culturally. We've learned so much about sexuality. So in that, in those decades that nothing had been changed, I believe in the classics, but I also believe we need to change. So in 2005, I was starting off my, my career in sexuality at that point. Um, I just wanted something different. But I didn't feel like I knew enough to like, who am I? I'm just like, I'm sure someone else has done this. And every year I just kept looking for something more. I was teaching sexuality at a college level and I really wasn't seeing anything that hit what I wanted. So I started doing it, not thinking I would ever do anything national with it, but just for my own teaching. And I started looking at, Uh, people who would describe themselves as having fulfilling, uh, fulfilling sexual life, however they define that, and just start taking notes about what that looked like. Then, when I grew my work to realize that holistic sexuality was, uh, Really looking at who you are at the final frontier of self development. I started looking at people and relationships that they would describe as fulfilling, sexuality to be a part of it. So I wanted to see if you were going to be a well rounded fulfilled person, what are the qualities and the areas that you needed to know about yourself and examine? And I realized the list was, was not very different. And so it, in a way, confirmed the theory that sexuality is the essence of who we are and, you know, the core of who we are. Um, almost inadvertently. So I started doing, I started changing things and started adding, uh, I took values out of it, I made my own graphic. When I look back at the graphic, it's, you know, I feel the same way, like, oh gosh, this looks so antiquated before just even looking at it. But conceptually, it's, it's, it's definitely an advancement to what, um, he did and, uh, and so I've been working with it. Yeah, please. Yep.

Leah:

like, what are the qualities that you, that have repeated

Willow:

Yeah, what are the circles that you've, you've adjusted to?

Juliana:

So, um, uh, and some of them I kept from him. So sensuality, uh, health and reproduction, desire, pleasure, identity. And I call it intersections.

Willow:

Is desire and pleasure the same one?

Juliana:

they're different. Yeah. Yeah. Different. Uh, and then, uh, behaviors and practices. So sex acts and sexualization, which is the, uh, The use of power, like the relationship between power and, um, sexuality, then, uh, relationships and intimacy and love and connection, and then everything is agency. So originally, like if I was, I had a similar look to the graphic that it was like something in the middle and then things on the outside, which is what he had done. And so replacing values with agency. Cause you know, I talk about agency all the time. Um, And, uh, and then, uh, and then I use all the other things as, as, like, at first, my graphic almost looked like a wheel, like a bicycle wheel, that agency was the middle and everything had a spokes coming out of it. Um, and, uh, I'll talk more about what that, and I'll tell you where I am now with that. I've completely changed the graphic and it has almost a 3D movable aspect to it at this point, um, as well. Thank you.

Willow:

Yeah. and all of this, yeah, yeah. Is, is all of this in the book that you have coming out

Juliana:

It is. Yes. Yeah.

Willow:

Can't wait for

Juliana:

it, it, thank you. And it's, it feels, and I was saying to you all earlier that I had been interviewed recently by a UCLA student who was studying human sexuality. That was her major. And she's working with an ethical porn company called Afterglow. And about halfway through the interview, And sometimes you never know how people are responding to what you're saying. Like if they have it, cause you, you learn as your interview, like you all that you have to have a bit of a blank face, so you're not interrupting and it's for the sound quality of it. But sometimes it's hard to read if, if what you're saying is landing or not. So I really wasn't sure with her, if it was landing or not. And she stopped me. She's like, I need to stop the recording. I was like, Oh, Oh gosh. Okay. Well, we'll see, uh, you know, with this young woman that's in the field is going to think about it. And she said, why aren't we being taught this? And she's like, we are absolutely being taught this 1981. And she didn't even know it was from 1981. And she's like, we aren't even taught who's came up with it. It just seems like it's always there. It's just one of those things. It's this classic circles of sexuality that we learned. She's like, but you're, you're right. It's, it's. It's absolutely outdated. Why aren't we learning what you're talking about in this process? And, uh, that was pretty impactful to me as well, to think that we, we not only need to be learning this, um, on our own, for our own individual journeys, but we really need to be educated for those who are in this field and those who are, um, supporting them. We, we need to have a much more integrated view of it. So if not me, I don't know, it's always felt like I have no idea how I'm the one doing this, but no one else really was. Or maybe there is someone else and they are the same as me. It hasn't gotten published yet. And I'm sure that's the case, um, that there's someone else working on this. Um, it's certainly not an original thought. But, um, uh, but I've kept at it and it's been very exciting and it's been a very helpful, helpful framework.

Leah:

okay, I want to make sure I understand all these pieces. At first what I thought you were saying was that, you know, you were asking people what their, what the qualities that they think are important, and then this was the language that they were providing. But what I'm hearing you say is that these are the categories that we need to address, learn, be educated about. Find ways to relate to these different categories. How does this fit my life? How does this fit my relationships? How does this fit my identity? And so it's really an education process of going, are we addressing these qualities as people become more sexually aware? And am I on the right track?

Juliana:

Yes. Yeah. And it's both. And so I originally started with like, almost like, what do I know? So I'm going to ask people, that's pretty much where how I began. So I did when I, when anyone would describe themselves or when I would see them as someone who would have a fulfilling sexual life, those are the people that I really started asking these questions and I didn't say like, what do you think makes it fulfilling? I would. Talk about the parts of their life and ask them what are the parts of your sexual life that are fulfilling and I just started finding themes and, and, and I would have, you know, if there were outliers, I ended up not including them because you really could make a very long list of things that make a fulfilling sexual life, but that you can't do that with a theory. So I had to have groupings. Um, and so when things became very clear and commonly a part of someone who I saw or they would suggest that they were also fulfilling in their sexual lives, and then I also added in their, in their life as just as a human, uh, they just, their themes came up for sure. So that's how I landed on these.

Leah:

that you heard like this, some similar stories over and over and over again, what were like the top two? They kept

Juliana:

Uh, stories from people. Uh, Oh,

Leah:

feeling of fulfillment.

Juliana:

so a connection was, uh, an amazing, uh, like it was in everything. People didn't use that word. And so I had to learn how to hear what they were talking about throughout it. And this was before Brene Brown really came on the scene who talks about connection and such a, you know, a common way for everyone to hear it. So I, I heard it a lot though. And here's what I would say. I'll answer the question about the, about the two connection being one, but. What I learned was that it wasn't that there was a specific formula that everyone had who had a fulfilling sexual life, which wasn't surprising to me, but you had to, everyone had, so it was almost as if it was a recipe that I was finding. And it was a recipe that you could have one cup or you could have a teaspoon, but you had to have at least some of that in that you'd had, you always had to have sensuality. But, you may have a lot of sensuality in your, in your sexual life to be fulfilled, or you may have a little bit, but you can't be absent. Um, and so I started finding those kinds of, um, aspects of it. And, um, and then, you know, of course, everyone has their own uniqueness. So everyone have a few outliers in theirs, but in general, those, the categories that I gave you are the ones that everyone had to have. So then I started using. Then it was the second part of what you said of the understanding was once I had a, like a theory going, I started using that as the framework and that's how I started having, I used, I used those topics as a way to do almost an audit on your sexual life and your sexual journey. Um, and we, we do the history of it and then we do the present and we do both of that to inform you as to what are your strengths, what are your challenges. And, uh, where are you wanting to head? Like, what are the patterns in your life that you want to continue and to make sacred? And what are the patterns that you want to take out of your life and change?

Willow:

mm.

Juliana:

Um, so go, so going back to your,

Willow:

yeah, go ahead.

Juliana:

Yeah. Uh, I said that the second, so connection was one. And then I would say sensuality is something that I'm not sure I would say like the, um, I would put it as the most important, but I have found it to be one of the most potent. So people who come to, to my work already having quite being in touch with who they are as a sensual being, the way they would describe it is they don't necessarily need support in enhancing it, but they recognize it's a foundational aspect of who they are and how they are connecting with, with the world themselves and others. Um, or it's quite absent. And so it becomes this huge ground for us to work on, to build from, and they become quite awakened and hopeful because if they thought they were really out of touch with who they were as a sensual being or who they were as a sexual being, sensuality, um, can be, uh, uh, I don't love the word easy, but it can be a pretty gentle, Move into who you are as a sexual being, which all you need is a sprinkle of hope if you're going to start making changes. And so I have found sensuality and connection to be the very potent places.

Leah:

Cool, I love

Willow:

love that. Yeah. So this sounds like, um, it could be really helpful sort of like intake for, for anyone who's working in the sexual field. Like when a new client comes in, let's check through each one of these categories. And it sounded like there was about Seven to 10 of

Juliana:

Ten.

Willow:

10. Okay. And so just kind of going through them, like where, what has it been like in the past for you with sensuality or with connection and, and how can we shift to that circle so that, you know, moving forward there's more satisfaction for you in that? And one of the things you said early on, I can't remember the verb that you used, but I just love it. It's like the, it's, it's quintessential, you know, your sexual satisfaction is quintessential to your life satisfaction. Like it's kind of the foundation. If we look at it from the chakra perspective too, it is the foundation, right? Those lower two chakras. And so when we, when we're fed and nourished as, as human physical beings in this, in these bodies and on this planet, when we're nourished through connection and through touch and through sensuality and through these, you know, all these different circles that you've come up with. I'm curious about how it's become 3d for you too. I want to hear more about that. Then we just, we just, everything else, all the upper chakras that connect us to spirituality and mysticism and intuition and expression and love just come very easily.

Juliana:

Yes. Yes. Well stated. Yes. I agree with all of that. And it's, so I, I think that this, this framework can be, as you said, it can be something for those who are trained in this to use as a litmus test. So like, where's our starting point? Um, what I have often found though, is that, um, we are so poorly educated just in general that a lot of people are like, what do, what do you mean by sensuality? Like, what is that? So it's, it's also like the educate, like, uh, what, what do you, uh, sure I know anatomy. Yep. I got it. And then when you get into

Leah:

and define and

Juliana:

that's right.

Leah:

an embodied felt sense of what these things actually are. I was going to ask you about sensuality because, you know, when I think of sensuality, I think of the senses, right? We connect to the senses that help us bring us into presence and into our body and into an experience that allows sensation to then be felt. Um, how would you describe it? What, how, how do you work with clients who, you know, they have an idea, but they're not sure if it's the same idea you have.

Juliana:

Right. And part of what's important for me is that I always start off with, uh, I am an expert in sexuality, but not an expert of their sexuality or your sexuality. So I have a general, I give like a general statement of what, uh, I, my concept of sexual, of sensuality is, but I always invite them to expand it to what it means to them. But in general, the basis is it's your senses. And it is like, not everyone has the same access to all of the senses, but we go through what they are. And I always start outside of sexual connection of like, what touches bring you joy and pleasure and what do you desire? And we go through all of the senses in that. And it's, it's. It's been so fascinating and it was always unexpected. It's no longer unexpected, but it was for quite a long time. How much grief comes up when I'm talking about sensuality with people who have not been in touch with what sensuality means. And, um, and so often there's this And especially for those who identify as women, that there is, there is a, there is a way to be sensual and they know exactly how to describe a woman who is sensual. Uh, when I work with those who identify as male, uh, the word often, um, is quite foreign to them and how would it come out in, in a more stereotypical masculine way. So I have lots of like gendering to overcome, lots of stereotypes to overcome too. And there's often grief with that, that sometimes. When you are looking at who you are as a sensual being, then it brings up that story, a pattern, I call those lighthouses, where you feel like you were, you never had the right kind of sexuality, which a lot of people feel that way. There's a right and a wrong kind, and we never have the right kind. And, and that begins with sensuality. So This is why I, it's the first pillar that we start at, sensuality, um, it gives me a pretty good litmus test of how they're feeling about themselves and their education level of what, what, and more of an expanded, elevated way of looking at sexuality. And then a lot of my job at this point, if I'm working with them in a group or individually, is to normalize where they are. That there's no wrong place for us to begin. And this is a great way to start adopting the philosophy of curiosity, being potent for you to expand and how fun it is. And it's, it's such a beautiful moment when someone goes from like, I mean, all right, like, when do we get to health reproduction? Like sensuality is not for me. Um, and they, and then they cannot wait to say, I had the most amazing this, this, and this, and I love sunsets. And it does bring me joy, or I love it when, uh, my vulva is touched this way. And I don't love it when my head is touched this way. And now I know, uh, sometimes it can, some of the worst parts of examining your sexuality is, is answering. I don't know. And I love turning that. I don't know, instead of it being a terrible place, a beautiful place to find it out.

Willow:

To be curious, yeah, and to discover. Yeah, I feel like those are the moments of awe that people experience when they're, and it's like they're stepping into more of themselves in those moments when they, when they, oh yeah, oh yeah, that's really what I do enjoy and what I don't enjoy, and so that information makes them into more whole beings. It's really beautiful to witness that. Now you were talking about doing this in group environments. So I'm, I bet I'm, I had like a flash of, um, network chiropractic, you know, where like the, the chiropractor is working on one body and then another body starts going off on the table next to it. And there's just this like quantum network of connections going on. So I'm imagining in a group environment, that's kind of what's happening. Those moments of awe and like wonder and curiosity and wow, are just

Leah:

yeah, and like vulnerability and trust being like passing on, you know, like the more people show up in that revealing of themselves, it gives more people permission to do the same thing. And then you're really weaving the trust among a little tribe and it's so beautiful. You know, I, I love this idea of sensuality. It's not something that I don't think we've really, you know, poured into yet, uh, on the show. And it's really what, what's coming to mind right now is it is really vast. There is a lot of territory there and you're right. It's a beautiful, um, potential for gentle invitation to like start someplace because it's very non threatening when you think about the senses, that's something everyone can relate to, even if they're not strong in all the senses, you know, however they might judge their, um, I don't know, competency to feel a certain sense or to utilize one. There, people can still relate to it. They still have access to something. There's a common language. I think it's such a beautiful starting point. And, and then from a group perspective, you've got people who are filling in, you know, like if, if you don't, if you feel sort of numb, if you're not very embodied, if touch is something that isn't, you know, A happy, easy place for you listening to someone else's description of how they feel touch and what it opens in them and or what it closes in them gives context for someone else to start to find their path forward with deepening their sense of sound or deepening the, um, Oh, the enjoyment of taste, but someone like me is like, oh

Willow:

Leah's

Leah:

savor all day long, you know, like just make it yummy, honey. And, um, and I, Julia Child has this saying, she goes, you know, I, I just don't understand people who don't like food. I, they're not my people. And there's a party that's like, if you're not into food, I don't know how to be your friend. Which is really not true, but you know, there's a sentiment, right? Where it's like, there's a shared experience when it comes to things that you revel in and how beautiful to find out that you do revel in a sense that like, you do have a superpower with one or two or three. And then it points to if there's one that you're unfamiliar with or don't have a lot of connection to, it's like, well, now, you know, We're the adventure, you know, you get to start an adventure with that. It's so

Juliana:

look how it is. And look how the energy even shifted in us. When you start talking about food and your joy and pleasure and desire with food and the sensualness of it, it made us have that, that feeling too. It's, it is contagious. It is. And, and when you feel that it's contagious in yourself and it's contagious if you're doing it around other people, then it starts playing that seed of getting it and that, ah, so maybe I can, maybe there is something to this. And then, so I, again, like, I find it to be just a wonderful starting point. And there's other, like, deeper levels too that I don't tell them at first. One of the things is that sensuality is one of the, um, one of the few of this that you have to be present minded and you are present minded when you're in your senses. Then when you're present minded, then you're able to really connect to the core of who you are, the essence of who you are, and to meet your sexual self and your sexual energy. And that could be a little too much for some people, if that's not already their vernacular, but it is a part of it. And, and so I start working with, uh, parts of like your yeses, I call them yuks and yums. And like, we start asking through that. And, uh, And it's, it's twofold. One is it gets them embodied, even if they don't know that's what's happening. It gets them thinking of yeses and nos, which are acts of agency, which again, is what I'm trying to teach throughout all of this to keep feeling into what becoming your own expert and trusting your, how your body tells you how to do

Leah:

Yes, like the inner guidance that yuck and yum is a visceral sensation and it's a felt sense so you're not analyzing the yuck and yum. You're feeling fast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, cool.

Juliana:

I want to keep building that with purpose and intention throughout all of the other topics so that when we are getting to some of the more soul, and they're all soul level, but when we're going to some of like, when we're talking about connection, when we're talking about relationships and love, those are, uh, you need to practice all of that to get to the place where you can truly do an analysis and an audit that is deep leveled. And going to give you the nuggets that you need to learn, um, to really like elevate what you're doing in a sexual way. You can't start off that place, but sensuality has that entry point where you can. I want to give you an example. I told you all earlier that I just spoke to seventh and eighth graders, um, and did a sex ed class with them. And it was in a Montessori school. So I wasn't bound by the public school rules. And I asked them like, you know, what are, what are, what are my parameters? And, uh, she really gave me almost zero and, and kind of told me where they were starting from. And so I said to her, I was like, how would you feel if I didn't give them nuts and bolts, but I talked to them more kind of in theory about what sexual agency was and how to be embodied in things. And she's like, I don't even know what you're talking about, but sure. Like I'll trust

Leah:

uh, yeah, I'll be in the class too

Juliana:

yes, yeah. And she was there. She was there actually. And, you know, and I admit, like, as a, as someone who's been doing this for decades, I can't, I can't tell you how scared I was, like, when I walked in and it was like, you know, just what's, I felt, and maybe scared wasn't, isn't the right word. I mean, nervous, but I felt the weight of getting it right because

Willow:

for sure.

Juliana:

it is, and, and it was the first time in a long time I've tested looking at this in a, in a deeper level. Um, to younger audiences, we started off with sensuality and talk about a group of people that may not know what sensuality is, um, or have a misconception. Um, although I did have, um, uh, um, uh, a boy say, isn't it just the five senses? Yep. Okay. That's right. You're right. You know, there are many, many adults who don't say that. So, uh, yep, you're right. And so I'll show you, I'll show you what I did. And this is like, it's just an example that I, I infused. So, Reveal the Course has lots of journal prompts. And so it's, it's a sexual audit of your history. But it's also an education along the way too. And so I educate them kind of subtly throughout it. And one of the exercises I did, I did with this group. So I had them all like put their arm, um, make sure they could touch their arm. And I taught them the four, four different types of touches that are taken from just basic Tantra touch. And so I taught them water with the, with the movement. That's a kind of a lighter touch. Air that is barely, barely touching, uh, earth that has like a firmness to it. And then fire that, that has the unexpected to it. And so they all did it. And what I had them do is I said, I'm going to, we're going to all do the touch one at a time and you're going to call out yuck or yum. And I want you to first pay attention to how does your body tell you? I like this. I don't like this. This is a yuck. This is a yum. And I wasn't sure if they would do it. I wasn't sure if that, you know, if they'd feel self conscious owning it. There are plenty of adults who are nervous to share, uh, what is, what they like and what they don't like. And, uh, they were just yelling out, yuck, yum. And, uh, they, they had no problem

Willow:

They were having fun.

Juliana:

Yes, they were. And each, I

Leah:

have as many hangups

Juliana:

That is true.

Leah:

inner guidance and just like naming it. Yeah. Wow.

Juliana:

and it's similar to how, when you were talking about food earlier, it became a contagiousness. And, uh, in between each one I talked about, so how did your body tell you? How did you know to say yuck or yum? And it was interesting. Some had a lot of words to be able to say, my body did this, my body did that. Others were like, I don't, I don't know. And I'm very careful to never make either of that wrong or right. None, none of that is better, but we're always wanting to hone that. And I talk about how, like, I've had somebody that, uh, my mind body connection didn't come easily to me. It's not a natural thing for me. I've worked on it. And, and there's some people that it's just like that, that they just come into this world and they know exactly,

Leah:

They have an

Juliana:

uh, That's right. That's not me. And, um, and so I talked to them about that and said, it's okay. Wherever you are with this, sometimes it's just an instinct. It's a feeling that you're not working through your body. You're working through the feeling of that. That's okay too. And then I talked about what was it like to have, um, you be the one that was like, Yuck, and everyone around you is like, yum. And, and it was really like a beautiful starting point too, of again, having agency that you get to have a yuck, even if everyone else is this, this is a yum. And I talked to them about, like, for me, one of the first few times I started doing this, um, air is something that I don't necessarily, I don't love that touch. Um, and so if you were to like, kind of do air on my back or whatever, just be like, eugh. And I remember describing that in my, one of my first revealed groups. And this woman was like, are you serious? Cause that is the yummiest thing I've ever heard of. And I want everyone to do that to me right now. And we all talked about like how, like what, I wonder why, I wonder why we're so different and, and you know, what is it about our bodies that make this so different and it, isn't it wonderful that we get to be different and have that. And, and then I moved that forward about touch and I did it very lightly with this group, but I said, you know, So if you loved water here, you may not love water here, or on your genitals, or you may love fire here. And this one person, one of the kids was like, I love fire, and I think I love fire everywhere. And there was a little bit of joking about it, and we'd already made a rule that it was okay to laugh, and you know, giggle, and all those kinds of things. But, um, It was the creeping in of like, uh oh, am I wrong? Is this weird? And like, if, if I, if I like fire, does that mean like, you know, I like kink or is that weird if I like kink and all of

Leah:

a shame bubble arises. Yeah.

Juliana:

in an environment where there wasn't any shame that we had, we really had had a very safe environment and everyone was happy and feeling that way. And so I didn't, I wasn't able to really go into it very, very deeply. I only had an hour with them, but I was able to make the point. We'll see what happens in the seeds are planted. But when I do revealed in the group. We do go very far into that place of like, so what is this bringing up for you? And what is the self judgment or where are the messages where you got? So, so, okay, so here's the thought you like, you like fire, you want to be pinched and slapped and where's the messaging that that's wrong? That's bad. That's shameful. Uh, where did that come from? And so we do like a decluttering of what those sexual messages are so that we can give room to this. Um, or if you don't like fire, then is it truly that your body doesn't like it? Or is it been, have you been socialized? That's the wrong thing to do. Or did you have bad experiences where that wasn't done well and had a negative touch? And, uh, so we just take as much time as possible to dive into those areas. Um, and that's just one example of centrality, but we do that with every single one of those topics. And, uh, it's. It's, it feels endless where you can go and when you heal these topics and it's always felt confirmed that those are the high points. Um, those are the, the ones that you really want to be hitting and understanding about who you are to have the potent, to meet the potential of having a fulfilling sexual life and relationship with yourself. Yes.

Willow:

like, Juliana, you have to teach, um, teachers how to teach sex ed now for, for across

Leah:

yeah, you're onto something.

Willow:

is going to be the next chapter of your career at some point. It's going to be the next chapter. So I'm so curious, you know, one of the things that I see so many sex ed teachers sexperts not paying attention to is the hormones like the sexual reproductive health and stuff. So I'm thrilled that that, um, you know, that that is in the model, of course, it's such a huge component of it. And um, and I'm just so curious what you've seen with sexperts as with these 10 categories like what do you see a lot of people like missing or or not like one or

Leah:

under addressing, like not, yeah. What, what is, what's getting left off the table?

Willow:

Yeah.

Juliana:

I

Willow:

as, as experts, like do better at

Juliana:

I mean, my first, my, this is such a great question. And I've actually never been asked that. What I, what I say overall is seeing it in a holistic lens. I think that's number one with the issues. A lot of people that I work with, and I understand it, is that a lot of people, a lot of sexperts will, will become an expert at one thing.

Leah:

Right. Like orgasm, for instance, or a genre like Tantra or kink or something.

Juliana:

Yes. Right. And again, I think there, we have to have experts within that, but in general, yes. But, but what I would like is I would like, so if someone was an expert in Tantra, what I would love is for that to then make sense as to how it fits into everything else. And there are certainly some teachers who do that, and it may not Tantra probably doesn't. Probably does that better

Willow:

has more of it.

Juliana:

Yes. Holistic sense to it. So let me, I'll pull that out. Hormones. So, uh, or, or looking at the lifespan, uh, like right now I do a lot of space in the menopause. I do a lot of work in the menopause space. And, and so of course, hormones is a big part of that. Sex is a big part of that intimacy. All the changes. There's a whole lot that's happening. Lack of, lack of education. Everything is changing in our bodies and in our, in our beliefs. And. You do want to be an expert and know where, where are, where are their solutions? Where are the options to help people in where they wanted to move to it? But it needs to be put inside of it holistically. It needs to be like, we need to be addressing. So who are you as a central being in this age and how is that relating to your hormones? And what is this meaning in, into your view of emotional intimacy? If your hormones and the shifting that's happening in your menopause journey, if you are having to have a re relationship with your partner, and that is it's not working. Uh, you all are, I've grown into two different kinds of people and you are also trying to figure out what does this mean hormonally and you're having shifts and all of that. It could be that it's changing how you're showing up or it's changing what you need to feel safe to show up in emotional intimacy. And I'm not saying that if you're coming to somebody as an expert on how can you have hormonal relief in your menapause space and, and have that help improve, uh, Um, not having sex, pain during sex, that that person has to be able to speak to your emotional intimacy. But I do think it would be best practice to be able to say, so let's look at what this, how this is threading in, almost make it a spider web of sorts that at least you touch. And you again, don't have, as a provider, don't have to be the expert of that, but you can say, you know, this is a place you may want to go to next. Um, or, you know,

Willow:

have some referrals, too.

Juliana:

right. And have referrals. And, and I, you know, there's part, I dream, I dream all the time about what the perfect clinic would be. And I give it, you know, what if I could have it, there could be this. Yes.

Willow:

I've got the Erotic Empowerment Center all set up in my mind.

Juliana:

Yes, I'm coming to it. I'm coming to it, Willow. And I think because in some ways I feel so frustrated, at least with the Americanized system and that, yeah, we need to have referrals because we don't have hubs and you know, there's so many hurdles and when you're talking about anything in the sexual world, if there's hurdles on top of hurdles, uh, people just stop doing it. And then it becomes an underground network of the only way you get to find people is if it's a hush word of mouth of like, yeah, she's really good. Yeah. I would love it to be that it's this huge building that you are. It's just wonderful. When you see someone, you know, in the parking lot, instead of like hiding that you both are going to this place and there's a problem. Um, I, uh, I, you have to have a referral source for that because you can't do what you're not an expert in, but you need to know where your expertise fits into helping the whole person. And, uh, so that, that would be like my first answer, um, to

Leah:

what's, I think this holistic approach is, is interesting and one of the things we try to, uh, make a web, you know, create a metrics for, um, as we reimagine sexuality is to acknowledge that it affects every sector of our life. And so if we were just to take the menopause topic and go, as you start to experience relief due to the things that you're trying to help alleviate your original symptoms, now, how does that affect? How you feel at work. How does that affect, um, the patience you have as a grandparent or a parent? How does that affect your moods? And then if your moods are changing, how does that affect, you know, how you run your life? I think that people don't realize or don't think through the fact that sexuality, this idea of sexual well being and wholeness, we started off that way. It is still affecting all these different channels of our existence and that doesn't mean you have to be sexually active. It doesn't mean that you have to, like, be having sex in order to be affected by sex. And, um, and that there's so much range of how you relate to your body. Um, that you have so much more agency. You have so much more choice than I think people realize. And I'm just sitting here coming back to one of the words you said at the very beginning, which is hope. You know, because I think so many people feel broken when it comes to sex, when it comes to their ability to have relationships that are romantic in nature, they feel like a failure and they're embarrassed. And so reaching out and getting help, we haven't totally normalized that in the sexuality space. Thankfully, it's a little bit easier in the relationship space. But I think a lot of people, by the time they get help in their relationship. The, the relationship counselor is really just helping them break up because people don't get support earlier. I mean, go to a therapist when things are good and watch your relationship soar.

Willow:

Yeah.

Leah:

Don't wait until there's obstacles that have been brewing for years or decades. Right,

Juliana:

uh, local women's group, uh, that we're all, uh, uh, business owners and, you know, sharing ideas and supporting each other. Um, but I, I don't do a lot of local work. Um, I do almost everything is either virtual or I travel to do, do my work and it just started occurring to me like, well, maybe I should, maybe I should make it a little bit easier for myself and do something that it's only five minute drive. I don't

Willow:

person and local. Yeah.

Juliana:

Yes, yeah, maybe I should get back

Willow:

people. Yeah. Yeah.

Juliana:

Yeah. And because it's been about 10 years since I've since I've had an in person practice. So I was talking to them. I was like, you know, I want to start as you said, like, I do couples intensive, I want to start doing couples workshops. I've mentioned this to the group. And they're like, Oh, yeah, we would love to do it, Juliana, but we wouldn't do it. And I was like, Oh, I wouldn't like, well, we wouldn't want anyone to think, like, I wouldn't want to see people that I know and think that we were having a problem with our sex life or like whatever, like the rhetoric was in that. And, uh, and I, oh, right there, there are the hurdles again and, and I get it. And I have so much compassion for it. I truly do understand that. And I, I would think that's the other part too, that. In our training, um, and supporting people in their sexual journeys is, um, I often forget how comfortable I have become in so many areas and that, that's just not, that's just not

Leah:

That's not how everyone know it. Yeah, so many people can't relate to that yet.

Willow:

yeah, we have

Leah:

I forget that all

Willow:

re remember that in the community, yeah. I'm like, I'll just do a, a workshop on pleasuring the pussy like a pro and everyone will come! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Who wouldn't come to that?

Leah:

to that?

Willow:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Leah:

Um,

Juliana:

would that be scary and intimidating?

Willow:

I don't

Juliana:

That's like exciting. Yes. Yeah.

Leah:

think sometimes, and I know you are in more of the middle of the country. And so your perspective is probably, would be really helpful here. I some, growing up in the Midwest, I grew up in Michigan. Um, and I've now lived in, on the West coast longer than I lived in Michigan at this point in my life. And so I sometimes feel like. I'm in a bubble and you do forget and I, and I, that, that concerns me because I want to be able to speak a language that someone else can hear. And so there is that sort of, Oh, by the way, if anyone's listening, you want to do a support group, we could do a mastermind. How do we, those of us around the coast who want to be able to relate and shift our language. And I have forgotten some, you know, and it's something that I think a lot about, uh, cause I think it's so important that we can share things in a way that people can hear. And I have to say, as you were talking about working with those eighth graders, that's what really jumped out at me, Juliana. I feel like you've really, you've got your thumb on the pulse of that, of being able to keep it simple and relatable. And, and,

Willow:

such a great language

Leah:

yeah, and there's so,

Willow:

to hear.

Leah:

you're great at really, sorry about that, there's a, um, not only is it simplistic, easy to understand, easy to relate to, um, it's, Oh, what's the thing I want to name? It's not too intense. Yeah. Yeah. Accessible. Like, cause I was thinking about what you were saying and it was, you know, those parts of us that we don't feel in touch with, right? We could start labeling that. Oh, maybe there was trauma. Oh, maybe there's just fear. Or when people are starting to have that experience of like, okay, am I the only one that, Um, had a yum, am I the only one who had a yuck? And you start to have that shame bubble start to rise up and you don't want to be othered. And, um, and so you just, you've been keeping it. Yeah. Okay. I'm signing up. You get this, um, sex ed training together and I'm in. All that to say, I'm in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Juliana:

great,

Willow:

so great, Juliana, because my, when I had my first, my sexual trauma at 19, I was like, I am going to reform sexual education. And then I was like, fuck no, I'm not going to do that. But I did. I, I even went to like the juvenile, the local juvenile hall. I was 19 years old. And I went to the local juvenile hall, spoke to them about the difference between consent and rape and the different shades of rape and all these, you know, things. And, um, I talked about pregnancy and teen pregnancy, and there was all these young kids, and I have no idea how they, you know, digested what I was talking about, and I don't even remember what I was talking about, but then I, I looked at like, wow, what would it mean to get into the school systems and really reform sexual education, and I decided, uh, that's not my path, but that's it. That's it. Like here we are full circle with like, you know, I think these, these 10, um, circles that you're, that you're delivering, that you're offering to the world really could be like such a profound way to usher next generations into their beingness, into their wholeness through looking at these things, not only through sexuality, but like, what, what, what about family and what about friendship? And you know, what about All the, yeah. All other sectors of life.

Leah:

Yeah. I really see it like being delivered in two ways. One is to the parents. One is to the school administration, and then one is to the kids. And that the curriculum and its language might

Juliana:

Well, we have to put politics too, because politics dictate the administration and all of that too. But yeah, I agree with you on an aspect. Um, and for, you know, for me, the Montessori way was, was the, was the only way this was going to ever happen because there's just so much room and they're built in agency as well. So, uh, that's a part of it. Um,

Willow:

where we can

Juliana:

Yes. Yeah. And I, unfortunately, I have to have to go pretty soon because I have a client, but I wanted to explain to you where I've switched things to. I'd love to see what you think of this. And you asked about what the model is. So, um, a while ago, I was able to hear Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra, and Nekrotoli speak on the same stage. It was really, really amazing. And lots of things, you know, lots of things I remember from it. But one of the things was, um, they were, someone asked Wayne about, um, Eckhart Tolle is like the power of now and what that meant. They were kind of saying, how do they influence each other since they were peers in many ways? And he said this one thing stood out for him. And, uh, he said that he started seeing the power of the cross and, uh, was trying to understand like why that became such a religious symbol. If he, you know, with him, he didn't necessarily believe that there was a literal story attached to it. And so what he came to was this belief that the horizontal part of the cross Is the timeline, like the human timeline. This is our time from birth to death. And, um, and so that was our kind of trajectory from here to there. And then the vertical part of the cross is like the, the otherness to ourselves. Um, and to however we would describe another kind of higher power, whatever word that would be in belief system. Um, it could be heaven and hell, but in essence, it's just like your, your connection with your essence, um, in some ways. And so there's that. And that part, that intersection of where they meet. Is the, is the power of the now. It is the, is the present form of thing. And it always stood out to me. And I never was like, what does it have to do with any of my work? I, I, I, I. But I knew there was something in that that stood out to me as, as really important. And then when I was doing more about like that, you need to be present minded to be an embodied person and sexuality in your essence. It, it started hitting me like, oh, there is that sweet point. Part of my course is that we do this timeline. So it started making sense to me too, why I was, why I was looking at that, kind of that trajectory of things. So I changed it being from the circles of sexuality to really being a compass. And there's a lot of wordplay of direction and due North. There's a lot of that kind of stuff. And, and, and compass is used quite a bit. So at first I was like, Ooh, that's a little, a little overused, but I honestly couldn't get away from it. So the graphic has, um, it has a horizontal and a vertical line. That's really like the main points of things. And for that sensuality, desire and pleasure and connection are the four main points. So like the four direction parts of it, because those are the four that really are in the embodied, the present, the mindful, and the connection, the pathway. So those are the four parts of that. And then there's a little starburst that comes out of it, and that's health and reproduction, that's sexualization, that is, um, behaviors and practices, um, And, uh, and healthy reproduction, um, then on the inside of the Starburst, so like where that middle point is, that's where agency lands. And so agency is the energy source in which everything comes out. Uh, and then I changed the word identities and the concept of entities to the word intersection, and I put that on the outside. And so intersections is where you are landed in life. And so just by genetics, it is, um, your race, your, um, your socioeconomic status, even where your, what your family constellation is like, what, where you're geographically located, things you had nothing to do with, just you're born into. And then the second layer of intersections is where you've had a little bit more choice in, and what have you made more choices in changing or removing yourself and how to all of that, how to all of those intersections affect and impact your sexual self. And so that's on the outside. And because I see sexuality as fluid and ever changing, the, the 3D form of that, the intersection, like the inner, the outside circle of it moves. So it's, it's moving like this and, uh, the rays, uh, the four main rays and the smaller rays, Um, uh, get to move in and out as well. And so it moves like this, it moves around and then it moves out. And, and that allows for everyone to have their home, their own model, which again, it's like the belief, my belief that

Willow:

There's the agency. Yes. I love it.

Leah:

visualize the web coming together when you talk about those intersections. It's like you see those lines crossing and coming together. I love it. Is there a place people can see this image?

Juliana:

no, I'm still working on it. Not yet. Uh, yeah,

Willow:

In your mind, see it in your

Leah:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Juliana:

So we've been working with, with experts to make that happen. Cause it's definitely what I want to have as a part of this. Uh, because the other part too, and the last kind of way I've got to come to this is that, um, it's important for me, like you talked about this when I'm, when I do reveal it in a group and we're not talking about it, is that it's, it is absolutely life altering when you get to be in a vulnerable space. Talking about anything in a vulnerable, true way, and you get to hear people who are different than you and similar to you that have similar experiences, different experiences, and all of you get to stand in the truth of who you are next to somebody in the truth of who they are, which is the ultimate, you know, example of agency. And that shores up you and it really shores up your instinct. It shores up you making good decisions. It allows you to expand instead of, uh, to minimize yourself, which we're all wanting and drawn to. And so when I think of like these globes, these, the, the, the compass inside of the globe, that's moving around, it makes me think of the constellations. And that we are all just kind of like stars in the galaxy. We're all soul dust. And, um, that's, that's the good news. That's the rights, that's responsibility. And, and that's the beauty of sexuality. And to me, that's the life force.

Leah:

Yeah. Yay. Yeah.

Juliana:

That's right. Yes.

Willow:

3D model on. What, do you have a name for this? Does it have an overview name yet?

Juliana:

I think I'm just calling it what we're working on it, but I think holistic. Yeah. The holistic sexuality compass, the whole is it's going to say something. Yes.

Leah:

Yeah. And do you have a working title right now for the book?

Juliana:

Um, revealed is in the name we're working on. It's so interesting how we have to, um, think of like so many other like marketing aspects of a title.

Willow:

book, I know, I think I'm gonna have to change the name of my book, too. Yeah, it's not

Juliana:

Because of the SEO. Yeah, you have to be able to make it so good because I'm not like a household name. People won't search for me and you want them when they're searching for sexual and no one's really looking at policy sexuality or sexual agency. So I have to find the words where people are looking so they'll find me inherently and so revealed will be in it.

Leah:

Yes. Well, so everybody, we're going to make sure that we stay in touch with Dr. Juliana because we're huge fans. So we will update the show notes as things evolve, as titles get confirmed, as books are published and as graphics are completed. So that, um, so that you will be up to date as she is up to date. Thank you so much

Juliana:

Oh,

Willow:

Such a pleasure.

Juliana:

work. Thank you all for what you all are doing. And it's so nice to see you always.

Leah:

you too. And don't forget to check out Dr. Juliana's first episode because you're going to love it. And

Willow:

don't forget to check out our TEDx talk. We'll put that in the show notes, too.

Leah:

yeah.

Juliana:

Thank you. Thank you all so much. Thank you. Good to see you

Leah:

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Leah:

Well, isn't she just such a satisfying person to sit down

Willow:

And talk sexuality with? Yes, she

Leah:

walk away with, with pieces that come together even more beautifully. It's not so much that She's bringing new concepts to me, but what she does is she uses language in such a fun way that she brings cohesion. And, and, you know, it really comes back to her mission around wholeness, seeing this as a, as a bigger picture.

Willow:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think her Her curiosity and her willingness to keep, to keep discovering and to keep looking and to keep, um, you know, uh, admitting when she's like, Oh, wait, no, that's not right. Let's try this. You know, admitting when things don't aren't, aren't sitting right. And I mean, when, when you're in a body of work and you're developing something like a model or, or a theory or an approach or methodology, there's so much, um, Desire to get it right, you know, because you want to deliver the right thing to the world and to, to actually check yourself and, and go back and be like, actually, wait, this could be even more evolved is really, I just feel like it just, I honor it and I love it and I respect it so much and I had to go through that myself. I mean, I had, This methodology all laid out. I had all the videos done. I had everything done, you know, and I had to go back and be like, shit, that's not right. I had to redo everything because it wasn't, it wasn't fully aligned to what it could be aligned too.

Leah:

I think of the other thing that I, this is where I wish I had, um, gone in a more academic direction. It's really not in alignment with my soul. Like I like being too much of a free spirit. I like having agency over all of my time. And the idea of having to sit still and go to school is just, I don't know why it hasn't resonated, but I feel envious. I feel a sense of, um, of high regard for people who have an academic Um, aptitude. And I think because I love hearing the research of things and I, and one of the questions I wish I would have asked, and maybe when we have her on, we can talk about this part of research and how do you do research? How do you find people to answer these questions? How do you collect them? The data. How do you get volunteers and people to sign up? And I know that that's a structure that you would find in universities, having exposure to that kind of thing. Um, but being someone who has, has a great amount of experience, in fact, I think I have more experience than a lot of people who are in academia because they're less hands on.

Willow:

For

Leah:

But my evidence is all anecdotal. I don't, and I really

Willow:

Yeah. Mm hmm.

Leah:

I wish I had both and, and maybe that'll be the next iteration of, of my, uh, curiosity, you know, maybe that'll be the next thing that opens new doors, but I do really, Um, I mean, that's what the draw to positive psychology was for me. It's that idea of seeing researched, measured, based facts. Um, it's thrilling. Yeah. And I love the idea of going, well, we thought it was this. Turns out it's not, you

Willow:

Yeah, yeah,

Leah:

drawing board.

Willow:

yeah, totally. Well, I think it's very trustworthy. Like people trust it. It's scientific, right? And so that's why it feels so enticing. But then, I, I totally hear you. And I, I love both too. And, and for early on when I developed my, uh, approach and methodology. I really wanted to make it into studies and, you know, have full, you know, but I was like, I don't know where to find those people, you know, who, who put together studies and I am not that person either. You know, I'm not going to put that together and,

Leah:

a researcher out there

Willow:

yeah, come hit us up. Yeah.

Leah:

we got the ideas if you know how to, um, implement.

Willow:

it together. exactly. But I think the anecdotal and the clinical experience, I think all of that, I think stories, because honestly, I mean, both are great, both are great, but there's plenty of research out there and I think stories are what people really connect to, you know, and you're a fantastic storyteller

Leah:

wired that way to understand through storytelling way more than we are wired to understand, you know, big words and dry, boring. Yes. Um, I think that's why it doesn't capture a lot of people's attention. And one of the things I really connected to was her metaphor around the recipe that really individuates people's, um, Experiences, they're preferences, they're the things that open them the biggest, are the things in the recipe that are the greatest measurement. Um, I really loved that as a metaphor, so don't be surprised people if I start you borrowing it. The last thing I just want to make a point in, um, about what I was noticing in her sharing of the eighth graders and in other areas of the interview was when people start to relate with each other. I think there's a mirror neuron effect, right? So when someone starts to open, it shows you how to open. And, and for those of you who don't know what mirror neurons are, you know when you see somebody yawn and then you yawn, that's a mirror neuron response. It's your body ends up mirroring what you're seeing in another body. Do, uh, another example is you're watching, um, something sad on television. You know, it's actors, you know, the dog really didn't die. But you can't help but cry because the people on the television are crying and so you cry too. Those are all mirror neurons. Examples. Yeah. And so it was kind of interesting to see some of the emotional reactions and, and what she's so good at is creating safe space is, is helping people stay curious when the temptation is to go judgmental and how she reinforces that, um, in, in her, you can tell she's talking about her experiences with clients. You can tell she was talking about teaching kids, you know, that that's such a crucial part of this sexuality. Exploration. I mean, it's such a pivotal thing for sex reimagined is that that has to be forward moving at all times so that people feel, you know, free and safe to take the risk because it is fucking scary. No one wants to be called a weirdo when it comes to sex unless that's your kink and you're not into it because you've done a shit ton of work probably. I don't mind being weirded when it comes to sex now, but I sure as shit didn't want to be outed that way. Yeah. So again,

Willow:

Well, it is, it is one of those like very, very sensitive, you know, subjects in our life. It's, it's one of the most vulnerable subjects in our life. And so I think we all want to do it right and have the, and be accepted for our, our style and our way around it. And, um, so that can be very limiting. So, you know, that's why we love having sex birds like Juliana on our show because it just opens up so much more conversation and so much more possibility to what you even think about, think about exploring, you know, it's like, you don't know what you don't know. And so that's why we love to like, highlight these sexperts so that. You start to, um, have new concepts and new ideas and like, Oh yeah, let's look at all 10 categories. I loved her, the model, the 3D model and just the compass. It's so perfect. I could see it.

Leah:

you know, I think to just piggyback on what you're saying, which is, this is why you sharing this episode with a friend is so important because our voices can only reach so far and, and our voices go further when you leave a review, when you like the show, when you subscribe, when you share a link to a specific episode that you really loved that, you know, You know, someone else needs. So please, um, do your part in helping more ears get exposed and help us normalize a certain sex positivity so that people can, can open,

Willow:

Yes. Open, open, open. It's all in the name of expanding the sector of your life that makes every other sector of your life flow with more ease and more grace. Yeah.

Leah:

Yes. So with that, everyone have a fabulous day or night or morning.

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